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Also I don't know if they are still around but there was a Chiefs package where the hotels arranged everything but the game ticket including the trip from the airport to hotel and back. Did it a couple times with my dad.

People don't really know their dads until they take the metro together.

Not saying it's meaningless, we have a mathematical chance which is always relevant. It's all about how Reid perceives the situation. Mostly based on how Mahomes' injury is actually.

Yep we also have a shot at the HFA. It's all about what Reid thinks of our chances. In football there's always hope as long as there's a mathematical chance but coaches tend to ignore it from time to time. Basically this game is up to Reid's train of thought. That being said I think we still win with a few starters out.

Pats have 2 very easy games and Baltimore is basically a lock. The only reason for us to lose this game is to treat it as an afterthought and resting a lot of starters with minor injuries. If we we go out to play without getting complacent this is a win like any other AFC West game but I wouldn't rule out the lack of motivation to play all our guys like Mahomes in such a meaningless game.

Not really slotting him behind Pringle. #1 - Hill, #2 - Watkins, #3 - Robinson, #4 - Hardman, #5 - Pringle is our depth chart based on snaps/targets. Whenever this depth chart is disrupted with a single guy Hardman gets to be our #3 but if it's disrupted by multiple guys Pringle gets more targets than Hardman for some reason. Could be as more of a possession guy but that's not really something we have been using often.

It's one thing to guess for 2020 as the trend might provide some estimation but there's no cap for 2021 as CBA runs out. We cannot assume the owners and players will agree on the same current deal to continue as is and there have been significant changes with the last 2 CBAs so a 3rd major update is very likely.

I don't see a trap game here. The defense looked awesome against Brady and should be even better against Lock. As long as we can stop the run they'll have to find a way to stop a very hot pass rush. If Broncos can actually build around Lock they might be a force again rather soon but I believe this game will be a growing pain for him. We simply have to stop Lindsay from turning to Henry against us.

My point exactly. Why spend multiple picks and make a guy your first selection if you are going to wait a while before he pans out. It's not acceptable in any position besides the QB. The thing we disagree seems to be based on our expectations from early picks but that's something we have to agree to disagree.

I like that lineup a lot. Any pick for LDT would be sweet IMO and Iupati is a sure upgrade. With home field all but lost to Baltimore and Pats having 2 very easy games I'm not sure if we would lose anything by putting Allegretti in for the next 3 weeks. Don't mind if Pat sits out a week or two either as he looked a bit roughed up.

Actually Hardman never has been anything more than the #3 guy in Chiefs uniform in any game of his short career. Both Robinson and Pringle (again I have to emphasize needs to be an afterthought) have been our #1 targets in different games as well as #2. However Hardman has never been able to achieve any of that even with top of the rotation guys missing time. Robinson is ahead of Hardman in both snap count and targets overall as well. Hardman has big play ability which has been his biggest contribution so far. As I mentioned before we could see a different style of offense that focuses more on his strengths in 2020 but so far he's just a guy we reached with much more valuable pieces missing on offense.

Yet Hardman still cannnot get the #3 WR role and Pringle, who should remain an afterthought, gets the nod over Hardman when we have 2 WRs out. That being said that WR group is still much more solid than OL, TE, LB. DB was another concern during the draft. I would say that our staff failed to assess various positions in the offseason.

It's the job of the staff to assess those situations. The guy that never played a down actually got the #1 WR role more than Hardman in this season, that's just a problem with our assessment IMO. Hill's situation is definitely the reason we moved up and picked Hardman. However the reasons don't change the outcome and mostly are irrelevant. Even though Hardman wasn't able to replicate Hill's role when he was out they probably thought he was the closest thing to Hill available.

That Pats front 7 is as solid as ever but even the brightest spot on our line struggled terribly. Not sure if that back thing is going on but we shouldn't have any pass rush issues from the strong side with so much investment there.

I think Hardman has a few of those Hill-type rushes this year too and a couple TDs. Basically a matter of being in front or behind the QB on whatever play Reid has designed. Hill was the whole package as a rookie, but seems to be used a lot less in the backfield plays as opposed to his rookie season. We already had Hill, Watkins, Robinson (Mahomes' guy?), Pringle on the roster when we drafted Hardman. In fact Hardman has never been the leading receiver for us this year even with a shallow depth chart as both Robinson and Pringle took over that role from him when we were expecting Hardman to be that guy. So Hardman isn't ready for the task or Reid is planning on using him in a very different manner which he will integrate to our receiving game later on (may be 2020?). While picking Hardman WR was still one of our deepest groups on the roster and even when looking just at the receiving game we are one Kelce injury away from needing to shift the entire game plan. So realistically Hardman serves no purpose in 2019, he might in 2020 and beyond but that will start to matter when he becomes such a player.

What hurts more is that we haven't really had any progress from our recent project linemen. Wylie is the only one that got a nod and he's simply terrible while not being this bad in 2018.

I doubt he can have as good of a season as Hill. Hill had 9 TDs with 860 total yards of offense and a total of 1 fumble as a rookie. He also added close to 1000 yards in returns with 3 TDs and no fumbles. Hardman has surpassed Hill in fumbles but doesn't really have a shot in other categories unless he comes out with a freakish performance in the next 3 weeks. That being said Hill-type performance isn't a realistic expectation from a rookie. Right now Hardman needs to pass Robinson in the depth chart before anything and then take over Watkins. In the last 5 games Hardman has a total of 6 targets. He made 2 big plays among those targets but unfortunately for Hardman WR hasn't been a need for us in 2019, which devalues him as a player. On another team he could have a much different impact. With a few exceptions wide receivers are dime a dozen and the new rules keep making it easier to play the position. It's always good to add quality guys to the mix but the compensation should justify the addition. Kelce has just turned to the wrong side of 30 and a TE was already a bigger need. The problem with high draft picks on possible future needs is that they don't help the team win the SB.

I doubt anyone expected OL to be set for years but we sure weren't expecting something this bad. Especially Reiter showed a lot more promise as a backup but looks like he's simply Marcus Cooper v2.0

Unfortunately those votes don't protect Mahomes or get Hardman more involved in the game. We had Albert as an all-pro LT and Fisher was voted in as well, that's how much people care about some positions. He's basically Eddy Curry of returners right now but the entire ST is terrible in 2019, may be he can become a much more useful guy with a better unit. By the way I do believe that Hardman would be more effective if actually used but for some reason he's not. Even when Hill was out we had other guys stepping up instead of Hardman. Also a team like Seattle would get a higher grade with Hardman IMO as he would be filling a real need.

Sucked isn't the right word. Any GM who didn't draft Barkley or Chubb last year simply gets a lower grade from their RB selection due to Lindsay's presence. It's probably a non-factor for late rounds but you don't get a decent grade for Gus Edwards by simply looking at his stats last year which are comparable to Hardman in total numbers. Not to mention guys like Penny or Michel early in the draft. Not sure why you would think Hardman is a pro-bowl level returner. The guy is leading the returners in fumbles with a total of 3 returns that are better than a touch-back and only 1 big punt return (even thought that's mostly due to bad blocking this year). By that logic Tremon Smith would get us a high draft grade last year as he averaged even more in returns while having the same number of fumbles. The value depends on the team drafting the players. Hardman is still our #4 WR in terms of targets and yards, he has big play ability which he has shown again in the TD catch but clearly neither Reid nor Mahomes consider him a priority option. When your 2nd round pick is mostly an afterthought that doesn't increase the grade of the pick. In the mean time we have Mahomes turning into a punching bag and opposing defenders almost grabbing the hand-off instead of our RBs. We didn't have any issues at TE with Kelce handling the entire position by himself but if he had any issues the WR pick in 2nd would look even worse and there's the dumpsterfire that is our LBs. Overall a pick is only valuable if it improves the team. We have a very solid pick in Thornhill and Saunders looks like he'll be a decent guy going forward. Fenton also showed some promise in the small sample size together with Thompson. All of these guys address a position of need and some of them panning out will increase our draft grade. Kpass was definitely a F-pick until this year and Speaks is no different. We cannot really increase the grades of these guys until they actually prove worthy of those picks.

This pathetic OL is a bigger curse than Madden. Mahomes is a very tough guy to have survived for so long with so few injuries behind this group.

Biadasz (bada$$ 🤔) kid from Wisconsin is the OC I want early in the draft. If selected I think he'll be our version of Pouncey for the next decade. Spend the 1st at OC and 2nd at LG, then LB/TE rest of the way then simply watch an upright Mahomes light the league on fire.

Besides Mahomes' hand this was an awesome game. We beat the Pats in their home with a playoff-like game. Run defense was great and Brady never looked comfortable in the pocket. A much better defensive game than we played all year long IMO.

Your approach is basically whatever we can get from rookies is a plus, which isn't realistic in the NFL. The success of the draft consists of what you get from the rookies while taking what other teams get from them in your positions of need. If you select a RB, then any RB taken later than yours who is doing a better job will lower your grade. Chiefs have way too much of an opportunity cost in this draft just like 2018. When the Raiders find a solid TE in 4th which is a big need for us, our WR pick in 2nd who's doing less than him simply turns into a negative grade. Not to mention the beating Mahomes is getting behind this terrible line, which could have been lessened using those picks more usefully. In order for 2019 draft to be successful we need the rookies to justify the beating Mahomes is getting as well as lack of production in areas they were supposed to fix. Later picks who contribute little all over the NFL have less impact and basically any positive is a plus but earlier picks cannot be just taken into consideration at the same level. If we go with your approach of ignoring others (and looks like negative plays from ours) where would you rank our draft class among the NFL? D is basically an average draft with more long term investment rather than short term gain, how would you grade it?

D is for 2019 not the entire regime. The story has been the same pretty much every season with a couple exceptions. We load up on a lot of promising youngsters most of which don't do much, if at all, as a rookie and some pan out to be solid players going forward. I think most of the drafts have lower grades in the first year when looked individually and some of them turn out to be really good ones. Besides 2015 and 2016 we never really had decent production from the rookie class in year one. 2014 was definitely F, 2018 was no different in year one, etc. People focus a lot on Reid's offense taking time to adjust but Sutton's defense seems the same. I don't know if things will change with Spags but this regime has mostly been brutal on rookies so far with only a handful of exceptions. Even the 1st overall pick was a backup.