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Wow. Can't say Veach hasn't changed things around in response to being 31st. We should get at least two more 3-and-outs per game. Maybe more.

No. That is ARREST rate within a short time period. It goes up to 61% arrest rate over a longer period. https://domestic-violence-law.com/can-abusers-be-rehabilitated/ The actual repeat rate is based on the word of the abused when reporting it, and that almost always involves bruising. Often it comes with presentation to an emergency room, and the patient may beg the staff not to even inform the police due to fear of reprisal. It also may not be enough for an arrest. I simply recall the 90% figure for repeated abuse. It may have come from an estimate. I cannot find that figure right now, but it is probably an old figure. At least we know that one study showed 61% re-arrest over a longer period. The whole point is that it is high. Let's not argue any more. The point is that the Chiefs took a very significant risk, just like they did in the case of Hill, and we still do not yet know what is going to happen there. But I can't wait to see the guy play. If Hill is OK and Clark is playing on D along with a better scheme and more success against the run, our team is going to be close to unbeatable. Clark is also said to be a pretty damn good run stopper when play comes his way.

You're right. But there is more sarcasm and politics in the Locker Room than this subject can stand. We just traded for another domestic abuser. That makes it relevant here, because we drafted the guy to play football and have been debating the pros and cons of that trade and the risks of it.

Here is one reference for "arrest rate." which is lower than actual repeat rate, obviously. I will try to find the other stat for actual repeat for you. Edited. That reference was for rehabilitation ability. The 61% figure was another article I saw from the UK. For some reason, I cannot change that edit from a link to a simple edit.

SEMO, I base my number on what I was instructed by the courts to do when making a determination as a coroner in cases of homicide, regarding cause and manner of death. I was told that the confidence level is two standard deviations or 95% certainty. But that was almost 40 years ago, when I served as a forensic pathologist for 4 years. The criteria may have changed since then, but I am merely basing that on personal instructions by the 3rd Judicial District of Kansas from 1988-1992. So you can take that for whatever it is worth. It certainly could be different now. But domestic battery is a criminal charge. A league suspension does not require anything more than "probable." As far as repeat rate for domestic violence, the stats are all over the internet. If you have trouble finding it, let me know, and I will find it for you.

Charges are dropped when there is less than 95% chance that he his guilty (known as "beyond a reasonable doubt") It is a very steep hill to climb before a jury is instructed to convict (Thank God). But the league has no such burden of proof. They have a fan base and a reputation to uphold, because advertising purchases are gigantic. The league can suspend on much flimsier evidence, especially if it is a repeat. You really ought to know your stuff before you make sarcastic remarks.

Good thing he didn't do it in front of a security camera in an elevator.

i'll be cheering right alongside you. But I will also be reminding you of what I wrote when he gets in trouble. My hope is that it doesn't happen. My knowledge of DV is that it is 90% likely that it will. This is akin to purchasing a lottery ticket. I am hoping that he is guilty of OTFV (on the field violence) and not DV.

On the field...for any given game he is playing.

From a pure performance and draft position standpoint, the trade was heavily in KC's favor. The real cost is hidden, which is the fact that 90% of domestic abusers repeat, regardless of counseling. So, I think this deal is bad. It won't feel bad when we are playing. But it will feel very bad when he is suspended during the playoffs. HIs sudden absence will be worse than Dee Ford encroaching in the AFC championship game. Now we were are the John Madden era Raiders. Great on the field but bad people. It will cost us big time at some point and make it more costly to try to re-sign Mahomes. I give this an F, though it will look like an A most of the time. Did you see his reaction about being traded to the Chiefs? It is because he "wanted to be appreciated." Does that sound like a team player or a selfish player all about himself? Where is this management when it comes to medical reality? I think anyone can answer that. I'm not happy about this, especially considering that Hill could be cut or suspended at anytime for the same thing...a self destructive impulse-control problem with a 90% repeat rate.

Belcher had severe PTE and committed suicide. But yes, I see from that article that he had anger and DA problems even in college. So, I stand corrected.

He had post traumatic encephalopathy from multiple concussions. He had a physically damaged, shrunken brain. He had no history of domestic abuse before he became brain-damaged from concussions. PTE has nothing whatever to do with toxic relationships. Anyway, I didn't understand your point. That's whyI said "and....?" Now that you have explained it, it now makes perfect nonsense.

And............??

After reading this a second time, something occurred to me. Punching a girlfried in the stomach to kill her baby, then strangling her, to me means that she certainly brings out the worst in him. Its just a compatibility problem

I thought slavery was outlawed in 1865.

Not only that, but the absurdity of his post is obvious from a practical contractual standpoint. Any team that tried to put that kind of interference in a player's personal life into a contract would simply guarantee that the player would not sign it. The unsigned player would then have the pick of 31 other teams who would sign him in a heartbeat. It just indicates a complete lack of coherent thought to make a post like that.

I think that often. (Of course, that's true of many of mine, also.)

I don't believe that a coach or an employer should be making recommendations about a player's relationships and whether or not they should dump somebody. That's not exactly appropriate, even if it's good advice.

True. Signed, The Prince of Darkness

When you are building an offense-oriented team with a franchise QB, you can never have enough good receivers. Too few targets, Mahomes has to hold onto the ball longer, gets hurt sacked and hurt, season over. I agree with you.

Naaaah. Makes too much sense, joykiller...I mean PAChiefs.

Yep. I wonder how and who evaluates prospective draftees' personal and legal histories and what methods they use other than testimonials from other coaches. It must take place with every team evaluating talent, even though all the usual football playing abilities are the focus for teams. Football favors aggressiveness, and other teams experience these things as well. What we don't know is how many problems are routinely prevented by the kind of caution the Chiefs are showing. You can't measure what doesn't happen.

I'm not giving up. Just passing along what I understand about this kind of stuff.

i don't know the answers to those questions, Jet. I only know that 90% of domestic abusers who end up in the court system repeat. The statistic from what I recall does not address the quality and quantity of counseling. Counseling, though, is most helpful for things in which decision-making is involved. It doesn't much affect rage reactions. Those types of things run really deep. They are at the level of emotional reactions in the midbrain, not reasoning decisions from the cortex. The guy unfortunately will always be at risk. You are absolutely right about spiritual transfomations. Those can and do occur and completely change deep emotional reactions. Spiritual transformations can, and do, arrest alcoholism. That is well known.

Statistics and facts, Mr. FANATIC. Laugh all you want in a large font. I am a physician and also was once a deputy coroner for a judicial district with more than its share of crime. That may not be an "insider" in this case involving HIll, , but it carries a little knowledge and experience with it. Your reaction and attitude, frankly, is childish and ignorant.