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I have a feeling he would cost more than that on a rookie contract.

The one I saw showed him to be the third OT, going around #18 in the first round. Likely we would have to move up and give up too much to do that, but you never know. it would be nice. His home area and favorite team is the Chiefs, since he is from Topeka.

I've never heard "Any Draft Picks." How does it go?

Looks like my post was too late. We just released both Fisher and Schwartz.

I didn't realize that would only get us two spots. You never know about Veach, though. A guy from this area might accept a cheaper second contract in several years just to stay here. The picks would have to be packaged with somebody we don't want to let go....like Fisher or Schwartz. Jenkins is a relentless and tough guy with top skills. As long as we don't wait for a "project" like Cosmi. We need someone now.

Yeah. Use them to move up and get the OT we really want. I'd say Jenkins. And not just because he is from Topeka.

Thank God

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Just like what happened in the 2018 AFC championship when we lost the toss and Brady got the ball first.

Agree.

I keep em shined up real nice on the dining room table.

I would love that, as all of us would. With 8 picks, Veach could possibly do that at the last second using a couple of those lower picks if Jenkins gets within three or four picks of us. But if he wants to build the best roster, he will use all of his own picks. There are so many good O linemen in this draft, we probably don't need to do that.

I go by what the coaches are saying, and they are saying he is good at center. But they also say he can be an even better guard. That would be a huge bonus if we could pick up a guy with a higher ceiling at center. and slide Allegretti over. The coaches also remind us that several of our guys are very young and keep improving. At some point, ithat kind of thing reaches a critical mass, since it is all complementary.

Actually, I have two of 'em.

He'll never fall to us.

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Only the public is awaiting. These tests do not take long. A day or two at most to cover everything. We will find out when the courts decide it is ok for us to find out.

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I don't disagree with any of that ,especially the part about a couple of years. It fits what I was saying. Center is a top priority in the draft, and we already drafted young guys to develop, like Niang, and traded for others. No one here really knows whether they will eventually be great contributors, possibly not even the coaches yet, but especially us. Two guys who start or are capable of it and also somewhat versatile are the most we can ask for right now. I don't know of any other team that lost their entire O line like we did last season...highly unusual. It has to be many years since that has happened to a team. That is one of the reasons I am less panicky than others who have posted. It is clear that Fisher tore his achilles, but to say he can be back by camp without question indicates that he did not completely tear the tendon away from the heel. It was obviously a partial tear that only needed some repair, not a complete through-and-through rupture of the entire achilles tendon. That is a HUGE relief. As far as Schwartz, the description is as I was hoping. A disc. When a disc capsule bulges out a little between two vertebrae and the disc material protrudes through that area, it pushes against a nerve and hurts. All that is needed is a pretty quick surgery to ablate or trim away the protruding material, which takes pressure off of the nerve. There is little reason to assume now that he will continue to hurt and not be able to play. Of course we should be working on their replacements in the draft this year and next, but it is not an emergency situation at OT, if both of those things are true, which I choose to believe they are. Decisions by the front office should never be based on short term fixes and panic as some have done here or advocated. Simply draft well and train well and give Mahomes more protection while the new generation takes over and learns. With a guy like Mahomes, who can throw accurately on the run, the biggest help will be to create more short plays and throws to the flat and get CEH much more involved in the passing game. I fully expect that to happen. All of our running backs are excellent receivers, including Damien Williams who will be back, Darryl Williams, LeVeon Bell, etc. A change in offensive game plans will do as much as any huge and panicky upgrade attempts on the O-line. Those upgrades have to be done methodically and with patience. I trust in the 15-1 Chiefs, Reid, and Veach to do exactly that.

I would say a moderate improvement in luck with injuries and maybe 2 new top guys able to start pretty quickly and/or sub would give us a good O-line. I'm not ready to think three or four. Mohomes doesn't need a full second more time. A half second would put a whole new level of play on the field.

He looked like a turnstile in the SB, but the Chiefs coaches seem to have a lot of faith in him. Maybe they are just trying to build him up for trade value. i guess we will see.

We can't say that, yet. O-linemen usually don't reach their peak until year 5. Everybody in KC was ready to dump Fisher after two years. I haven't heard much talk about that the last couple of years. Fisher will never be great, but he is much better than average. That same thing could happen to Wylie at guard. It is just premature for you to say he could never be a quality starter.

An incredible number of O-line injuries is what got us in trouble. To say anything else is flat out ridiculous. I agree we need a good center. Reiter is not the answer. Wylie actually isn't bad and is continuing to develop and get better. He's young and talented. We do need at least one high ceiling OT in the draft who can step right in if necessary., but mostly back up and develop for a couple of years. This is the draft to do it. The D-line actually needs as much, or more, help.

I agree. Even if both are back, their age demands that new guys be developing to excel, whenever one or the other leave or retire. The answer will come when we finally see what Niang can do. There may be someone else also in-house who can develop to that level. If Veach and the line coaches think so, they may go that way, but I would feel much better with a great draftee since this draft is very strong with O-linemen. If Niang proves a disappointment, we would still have a high ceiling guy developing.

Thanks, to both of you. That clears up the issue for me.