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Sure seems like the D is starting to collect young kids that can play. Can't wait to see them grow

Again though, pre-free agency

I would argue that Walsh coached pre free agency, which was a different animal, and that Dick was a terrific coach but ultimately it was his coordinators that made the schemes he used. I look at Dick as more of the CEO type of coach, similar to Harbaugh. Just like Andy built on amd evolved the Walsh and Holmgren WCO schemes, Walsh built off of Lavell Edwards and Paul Brown. Andy however has done it longer, with more types of QBs, and evolved his offense so many times in so many different ways that i think he takes it over both. I'm speaking only of offensive coaching, as in the OP. I don't think in that context that Dick Vermeil is even near the podium. We all know who made the greatest show on turf and even his KC offenses were more a product of the Air Coryell system and the OC.

If Pat took what the defense gave him in the 2nd half we'd also have gone to the Superbowl. Small sample size when things went wrong do not equate to being bad at something. Unless you also think Pat Mahomes is bad at football.

Bit of context, Andy's averaged 10th overall in redzone TD percentage with Pat at QB. He's averaged 13th overall in his 9 years with KC. He was 2nd overall in 2018, Pat's first year. 11 overall in 2019, the Superbowl year. 11th last year. For further context, Belichick has averaged 17th the last 4 years.

He had covid

That is affirmative, Dave.

True

Personally I think Andy is probably the best offensive coach the league has seen since Bill Walsh. Frankly at this point though he's done it longer and reinvented his offense many more times and done it with multiple QBs and types of QBs. He might be the best offensive coach in history when it's all said and done, depending on if he can scrape up some more superbowl wins. I won't even get into the running game criticism. Y'all know by now that I think you should only run sparingly to get a defense out of what they're doing or in situational football. Otherwise the running game is probably the most overrated aspect of football. Even a moderately successful passing game is more effective and has a greater impact on winning games than the best rushing attack.

From the star: Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Frank Clark has resolved his legal matter regarding gun charges stemming from two 2021 arrests in Los Angeles. Clark pleaded no contest on Wednesday to two counts of misdemeanor possession of an assault weapon, according to Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office media spokesman Matt Krasnowski. It was an open plea to the judge. With that, Clark was sentenced to one year of “informal probation” and also must complete 40 hours of volunteer community service. Krasnowski said Clark will be due in court on March 29, 2023, for a hearing where he will have to show proof that he completed his community service. Clark also previously fulfilled a request by the judge to host four free youth football camps, according to Krasnowski. The Chiefs had no comment Thursday, but said coach Andy Reid would be available Friday, per a team spokesman. Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article265499891.html#storylink=cpy

I still don't see either of those guys hitting the same heights. They're both very good, but Herbert doesn't have same the out of structure playmaking ability as Pat and Josh, and Allen isn't as good at pre and post snap processing as Pat and Herbert.

Bills have had 1st and 3rd ranked defenses + Diggs + a very excellent playcaller in Daboll. Best D ranking for Pat in that time-frame was 17th. Tell me again how Pat has all the advantages over Josh?

This could be about intel but I will say I and several other draftniks here liked both of the Cinci safeties in the draft last year so I approve of this signing. 👍

Ok my bad

I'm old enough to remember when a segment of the fanbase thought he was only hired to be Andy's yes man. Oops.

The AFL Chiefs An NFL Dynasty? It could have happened with three more player signings By Rick Gosselin Last updated Aug 23, 2022 0 https://rickgosselin.com/the-afl-chiefs-were-three-players-shy-of-a-dynasty The Kansas City Chiefs were the best team in the American Football League, winning the most games and the most championships during the league’s 10-year history. But the Chiefs could have been better. Much, much better. Frustrated that he was unable to land an NFL franchise for his hometown of Dallas, Texas oil man Lamar Hunt decided to start his own league in 1960 – the AFL. He would bring the sport to football-starved cities Dallas, Boston, Buffalo, Denver, Houston and Oakland in addition to Los Angeles and New York – and his teams would compete with the NFL for the same players coming out of college. You needed deep pockets to play this game – and few had deeper pockets than Hunt. The drafts became annual bidding wars and Hunt became the NFL’s greatest nemesis. Safety Johnny Robinson was the third overall pick of the 1960 draft by the Detroit Lions, He signed with Hunt’s Dallas Texans. Fullback Jack Spikes was the sixth overall pick of that same draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers, He also signed with the Texans. So did guard Ed Budde, the fourth overall pick of the 1964 draft by the Philadelphia Eagles. But by then the Texans had moved to Kansas City and become the Chiefs. Hunt’s franchise also won bidding wars for second-round NFL draft picks E.J. Holub (Dallas) and Fred Arbanas (St. Louis) in 1961, Outland Trophy-winner Bobby Bell (Minnesota) in 1963 and Heisman Trophy-winner Mike Garrett (Los Angeles) in 1966. Bell and Robinson are now in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and both Arbanas and Budde joined them on the all-time AFL team. But it’s the players that the Texans – and later Chiefs – did not sign that could have turned AFL dominance into an NFL dynasty. Three of their draft picks were named to the NFL’s 100th anniversary team: defensive tackle Bob Lilly, running back Gale Sayers and quarterback Roger Staubach. All three have busts in Canton. Imagine Lilly lining up next to fellow Hall of Fame defensive tackle Buck Buchanan in the 1960s … and Staubach quarterbacking the Chiefs in the 1970s with the same flair as he did the Cowboys that decade. He took Dallas to four Super Bowls, winning twice. Ed Podolak set an NFL playoff record with the Chiefs in 1971 when he gained 350 total yards on runs, receptions and kick returns against the Miami Dolphins. Imagine how many yards Sayers would have gained for the Chiefs on the same field that same day with the same blocking. The Chiefs also lost out on linebacker Mike “Mad Dog” Curtis, a four-time Pro Bowler, to the Baltimore Colts. Imagine where he’d have fit in a linebacking crew that already featured two Hall of Famers, Bell and Willie Lanier. In addition, Texans/Chiefs draft picks Walt Garrison and Pettis Norman both went on to win Super Bowl rings with the Cowboys. The Texans/Chiefs won 87 games in the 1960 decade and three AFL championships. They also won the last game ever played by Hunt’s league – the 1970 Super Bowl against the Minnesota Vikings. But the Chiefs were whipping the NFL long before they ever met them on the playing field.

Translation: he's not an instant contributor so fuck that guy cause he needs to develop, even though we all knew that was the case coming out of college.

You musta not watch the last bit of preseason

There's a reason they liked him. We knew he was a developmental guy when drafted. Too early for this crap imo.

Danna