sith13 1,746 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Sometimes the things you say are mind boggling. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm Look at this guys career numbers. This is a possible HOF trajectory. I'm referring to his price/value so using overpriced might be better than overrated. He's a good franchise QB but they are paying him the top QB money with every new contract which he hasn't lived up to yet. For those numbers Wilson should be making people around him better but doesn't have that elite presence to accomplish that. He already won the SB as a rookie so he's more oriented on the money but they keep tearing up the defense just to be able to pay Wilson and surround him with good talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Mloe68 said: I really like the guy from DVOA Soren Petro always has on. And he said towards the end of the year that Patrick Mahomes graded out not only as the best QB, but by.a wide margin. Not surprising. But then he added the second best QB was also well ahead of anyone in the league and that was Russell Wilson. The guy consistently delivers difficult throws at crucial times. Heck we saw it in our game. Yep this was a career year for Wilson, in fact could be his best so far (if not 2015). However do you think he's an elite QB that can make crappy guys look good like Brady/Brees/Luck or more like Smith with better arm and courage? Seahawks have been spending the 1st on offense by either trades or draft picks ever since he came out but always seem to be short. He sure has monetary value in the current QB market but I don't think he deserves something like 15% of the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 9 hours ago, moons314 said: This is the part that concerns me, and leaves me wondering if Veach and Reid are coming to this conclusion. Pass rush is great, but if you’re play Tom Brady and he’s throwing the ball inside of 3 seconds, then pass rush is worthless no matter who you have. Honestly I’d rather build the back end and get stout against the run. With modern rules favoring receivers and QBs no longer allowed to be hit, I’m starting to believe that straight up pass rushers are losing value because of the speed in which the ball comes out. I think we’d be better served using mixed blitz packages to create pressure. I just can’t agree at all with you guys here although I’ve read some stuff this week that does sway me a little in that direction. Watch the Snooze Super Bowl and tell me the Rams pass rush wasn’t a major factor. Pats offense struggled all day. Likewise the Pats pass rush completely rattled Goff. The key is you need to be able to generate an inside or an outside pass rush depending on who you are playing. Moving to a 4-3 is going to help our non existent interior rush. But we still need at least one legit edge rusher. I believe that’s really important still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 It's not just Tom Brady we are playing. There's 15 other games we play over the season that require an effective pass rush. However, they also require a solid secondary, can't have one without the other. Like a chicken an egg conversation... Can't cover for 10 seconds and can't give a qb 10 seconds to throw. All works together and we need both effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChiefsCorner 496 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: I just can’t agree at all with you guys here although I’ve read some stuff this week that does sway me a little in that direction. Watch the Snooze Super Bowl and tell me the Rams pass rush wasn’t a major factor. Pats offense struggled all day. Likewise the Pats pass rush completely rattled Goff. The key is you need to be able to generate an inside or an outside pass rush depending on who you are playing. Moving to a 4-3 is going to help our non existent interior rush. But we still need at least one legit edge rusher. I believe that’s really important still. I am leaning toward taking edge rusher Brian Burns with pick #29, I have watch some film on him and he can rush the QB, stop the run, drop back in coverage and even block punts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, NChiefsCorner said: I am leaning toward taking edge rusher Brian Burns with pick #29, I have watch some film on him and he can rush the QB, stop the run, drop back in coverage and even block punts. I was leaning burns too. But I think we could get justin hollins in the 2nd or 3rd round and be just as good. Especially considering that we will be drawing for depth at the edge. As speaks and okafor will be the starters. Hollins is 6'5" 250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Burns won’t be there at 29. I don’t like Hollins until day 3. Even then, he needs a lot of development and might never be more than special teams. JMO, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, SEMO said: Burns won’t be there at 29. I don’t like Hollins until day 3. Even then, he needs a lot of development and might never be more than special teams. JMO, of course. To each his own. We are all allowed our own opinion. I think the potential is there. And he isn't going to be asked to be a starter right away. So he can develop. But he also put up 25 reps in the bench so he shows he bad some strength to start with. He had a 4.50 forty. And a 36.5 vertical. He has a very good first step. He would be a good fit at the LEO position. And strong enough to set an edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I'm hoping clelin ferrell falls to us. Right now it's possible he decided to skip pro day drills so teams/scouts might be down on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Mloe68 said: I just can’t agree at all with you guys here although I’ve read some stuff this week that does sway me a little in that direction. Watch the Snooze Super Bowl and tell me the Rams pass rush wasn’t a major factor. Pats offense struggled all day. Likewise the Pats pass rush completely rattled Goff. The key is you need to be able to generate an inside or an outside pass rush depending on who you are playing. Moving to a 4-3 is going to help our non existent interior rush. But we still need at least one legit edge rusher. I believe that’s really important still. I think the problem isn't pass rush or run or coverage, it's a thing with specialists. Pats beat the Rams with great pass rush and coverage but they didn't rely on a couple guys to handle the whole thing, they mixed things up all game long. We had way too many specialists on the team and that limited our chances on defense, had to pass rush with Ford but they eliminated his pass rush abilities we didn't have any use for him on the field, not being able to use him anywhere else took away our chance of sending a DB to Brady, etc. We'll probably have another edge rusher but that shouldn't and hopefully won't be a single guy but rather either OLB rushing based on the play and another edge rusher through the draft is very likely but that will be a specialist without breaking the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, SEMO said: Burns won’t be there at 29. I don’t like Hollins until day 3. Even then, he needs a lot of development and might never be more than special teams. JMO, of course. That's about where I'm at as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChiefsCorner 496 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, SEMO said: Burns won’t be there at 29. I don’t like Hollins until day 3. Even then, he needs a lot of development and might never be more than special teams. JMO, of course. I think Burns will be there at #29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, NChiefsCorner said: I think Burns will be there at #29. Only if he fails a drug test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Palangi said: To each his own. We are all allowed our own opinion. I think the potential is there. And he isn't going to be asked to be a starter right away. So he can develop. But he also put up 25 reps in the bench so he shows he bad some strength to start with. He had a 4.50 forty. And a 36.5 vertical. He has a very good first step. He would be a good fit at the LEO position. And strong enough to set an edge Well, not sure how strong he is, as he gets washed out in the run game regularly. As far as his quick first step goes, doesn’t really matter because tackles steer him right past the pocket too often. No bend to get around the corner. But other than that, he’s great. Unless they trade up, they are not getting an EDGE in round 1 unless they reach. I would rather they take Winovich or Ferguson in round 2, even if they have to trade up a little, or take someone like Nelson in round 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, SEMO said: Well, not sure how strong he is, as he gets washed out in the run game regularly. As far as his quick first step goes, doesn’t really matter because tackles steer him right past the pocket too often. No bend to get around the corner. But other than that, he’s great. Unless they trade up, they are not getting an EDGE in round 1 unless they reach. I would rather they take Winovich or Ferguson in round 2, even if they have to trade up a little, or take someone like Nelson in round 3. Yet you are advocating for burns who is worse at setting an edge. And is smaller. To each his own I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, Palangi said: Yet you are advocating for burns who is worse at setting an edge. And is smaller. To each his own I guess I never advocated for Burns. That was you and NTrumpsCorner. All I said is he wouldn’t be there at 29. Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Burns won't be there at 29 because he has good tape, is super bendy, tested above the 90th percentile (at least in the parts he participated in), and plays a premium position. That said, he might still be too light in the pants for what we're looking for; I definitely would have liked him better for us if we'd stayed in a 34. He put on like 10 lbs for the combine and still tested well so who knows. He's better than Dee Ford ever was against the run, course that's not saying much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Take a look at Chase Winovich. I think the dude really fits in with what the Chiefs are needing at LEO and what Spagnuolo is going to request from his front 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, liquidfriend said: Take a look at Chase Winovich. I think the dude really fits in with what the Chiefs are needing at LEO and what Spagnuolo is going to request from his front 4. Blue collar guy without much athleticism. He will definitely be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spfdchiefsfan 621 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 isn't this FA talk, not draft talk???? LOL!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Interesting it looks like we were close to signing Earl Thomas to a 1 year prove it typedeal according to several reports after we’d signed HB. That would have been formidable! The Ravens apparently jumped in at the last minute and offered a big multi year deal with a large guarantee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow 23 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Bashaud Breeland @Bree2Land6 I think I want some BBQ 1:03 AM · Mar 18, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone Interesting tweet from Bashaud Breeland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, Scarecrow said: Bashaud Breeland @Bree2Land6 I think I want some BBQ 1:03 AM · Mar 18, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone Interesting tweet from Bashaud Breeland... That means he's a Chief 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dksww 484 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 49 minutes ago, sith13 said: That means he's a Chief 😎 yup lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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