liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said: I love Marty Mac. I met him out at Arrowhead tailgating when the Save Our Chiefs movement was in full swing. Good guy, and he seemed to establish some legit connections in the process. His sources seem more solid than mine, but yeah good dude and I don't think he's blindly tossing darts. Nothing more than a simple guess, but I don't think Peterson trade will happen unless the Cardinals decide to re-tear everything down again and take Murray. Hard to build onto something when you dump your best player, but if you're flushing it all once again than you should really consider making the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: His sources seem more solid than mine, but yeah good dude and I don't think he's blindly tossing darts. Nothing more than a simple guess, but I don't think Peterson trade will happen unless the Cardinals decide to re-tear everything down again and take Murray. Hard to build onto something when you dump your best player, but if you're flushing it all once again than you should really consider making the move. The moves they've made in free agency dont really say rebuild, I agree. But if/when they flip Rosen maybe they can get a 1st for him from someone and draft Petersons replacement cheap. Hard to know what they are up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said: The moves they've made in free agency dont really say rebuild, I agree. But if/when they flip Rosen maybe they can get a 1st for him from someone and draft Petersons replacement cheap. Hard to know what they are up to. I don't think they're fetching a 1 for Josh Rosen. It would really be a terrible move by the Cardinals, but terrible teams making terrible decisions isn't something that isn't heard of by means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: I don't think they're fetching a 1 for Josh Rosen. It would really be a terrible move by the Cardinals, but terrible teams making terrible decisions isn't something that isn't heard of by means. Giants could give up their 17th pick and get a later one in return this freeing them up to go defense with their 6thbpick in the first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, dksww said: CB is definitely more of a need than S. At S we have Mathiew, Watts, Lucas and Sorenson to work with. Gonna babble on here for a second. Lol What your saying makes sense, but I’m not sure Brett Veach agrees as he clearly pursued Earl Thomas after we had signed Honey Badger. So trying to read between the lines it looks like he wanted to upgrade from Sorensen with a veteran and then develop Watts and Lucas behind them. If that’s off the table maybe the focus does come to acquiring a veteran CB and developing Smith, Ward and a draft pick behind them instead. I’d resign Fuller now by the way. This would set up a scenario to aggressively find the weak side defensive end/pass rusher. And nice mock by the way. Lastly it’s also possible this Tyreek deal has caused them to prioritize an offensive player. Short term anyway our best chance at Lombardi next year is to keep offense strong and hope defense comes around enough as season progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Mloe68 said: Gonna babble on here for a second. Lol What your saying makes sense, but I’m not sure Brett Veach agrees as he clearly pursued Earl Thomas after we had signed Honey Badger. So trying to read between the lines it looks like he wanted to upgrade from Sorensen with a veteran and then develop Watts and Lucas behind them. If that’s off the table maybe the focus does come to acquiring a veteran CB and developing Smith, Ward and a draft pick behind them instead. I’d resign Fuller now by the way. This would set up a scenario to aggressively find the weak side defensive end/pass rusher. And nice mock by the way. Lastly it’s also possible this Tyreek deal has caused them to prioritize an offensive player. Short term anyway our best chance at Lombardi next year is to keep offense strong and hope defense comes around enough as season progresses. There was the tweet from Breeland to Tre Boston telling him to come here and make it happen. If so you cut Sorensen and use that money on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Giants could give up their 17th pick and get a later one in return this freeing them up to go defense with their 6thbpick in the first? The Giants had the ability to take him last year and passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: The Giants had the ability to take him last year and passed. Barkley is hard to pass by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Barkley is hard to pass by It's actually really easy if you don't have a QB. If you don't have a QB, you don't have shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: It's actually really easy if you don't have a QB. If you don't have a QB, you don't have shit. They gave Eli one more chance. Having a solid rb now makes sense for a Qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, kkuenn said: They gave Eli one more chance. Having a solid rb now makes sense for a Qb In what world does it make sense to waste 2 years of a RB's prime on a garbage QB like Eli? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: In what world does it make sense to waste 2 years of a RB's prime on a garbage QB like Eli? He was the best player in the draft. Bar none. They werent wrong for taking him. If they dont go QB with 1 of their 2 first this year, then Gettleman ought to be fired immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Iluvhouse24 said: He was the best player in the draft. Bar none. They werent wrong for taking him. If they dont go QB with 1 of their 2 first this year, then Gettleman ought to be fired immediately. I think they like Haskins or Locke but they wont be there at 17. Passing up a good amount of great talent at the higher pick for a defensive front player they need. It would be great for them if they went d player and one of those 2 QBs drop to 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said: He was the best player in the draft. Bar none. They werent wrong for taking him. If they dont go QB with 1 of their 2 first this year, then Gettleman ought to be fired immediately. They were absolutely in the wrong for taking Barkley over Darnold. it was unbelievably stupid. Now they're going to follow the 'Kansas City model' and sit a QB on the bench while Eli sucks it up for another year, and it's not far-fetched to assume the new QB will have some struggles Year 1. They really could waste a lot of his rookie deal on being terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Mloe68 said: Gonna babble on here for a second. Lol What your saying makes sense, but I’m not sure Brett Veach agrees as he clearly pursued Earl Thomas after we had signed Honey Badger. So trying to read between the lines it looks like he wanted to upgrade from Sorensen with a veteran and then develop Watts and Lucas behind them. If that’s off the table maybe the focus does come to acquiring a veteran CB and developing Smith, Ward and a draft pick behind them instead. I’d resign Fuller now by the way. This would set up a scenario to aggressively find the weak side defensive end/pass rusher. And nice mock by the way. Lastly it’s also possible this Tyreek deal has caused them to prioritize an offensive player. Short term anyway our best chance at Lombardi next year is to keep offense strong and hope defense comes around enough as season progresses. Ya, I was just saying at this point, Safety is not a must have like CB is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: Now they're going to follow the 'Kansas City model' Oh, right....no other team has ever done that before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Oh, right....no other team has ever done that before Well take that up with Dave Gettleman. Those are his exact words, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Oh, right....no other team has ever done that before we just were more consistent at it, 30 years of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 And another left turn in this thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tges58 33 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 12:25 PM, Handswarmer said: Oh, right....no other team has ever done that before Uh, that was a quote. You can tell by the two little marks at the beginning and end of the quote. Obnoxious little twit, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 11:56 AM, liquidfriend said: In what world does it make sense to waste 2 years of a RB's prime on a garbage QB like Eli? I side with you in this argument, by the time the giants are good again barkley will be done, it was an absolutely stupid pick. the worst combo ever was the browns taking trent richardson at 4 and brandon weedin late in the first. same logic applies to richardson, on top of that they select a 28 year old qb who, again, by the time the browns are good they would be looking for his replacement due to age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 11:33 AM, liquidfriend said: The Giants had the ability to take him last year and passed. What you fail to take into account, is that Gettleman is kind of an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: I side with you in this argument, by the time the giants are good again barkley will be done, it was an absolutely stupid pick. If the Giants are in contention again in 2022 that would put Barkley at 25 years old. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said: If the Giants are in contention again in 2022 that would put Barkley at 25 years old. Am I missing something? Nope. A strong running game will help any qb, especially a new one. Where the Giants messed up was in the OBJ trade. They were fleeced there imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said: If the Giants are in contention again in 2022 that would put Barkley at 25 years old. Am I missing something? No doubt he should be in his prime but also a guy who’s gonna command a huge salary I’d be reluctant to give a RB To me this is just another reason not to draft any RB early. Just way to many good or even great RBs found later in the draft. It’s the complete opposite of QBs. And the wear and tear on these guys makes them bigger risks than any other position. Even look at the Rams who’s entire offense is set up to go through Gurley. When he got hurt they didn’t lose all that much at all with a street free agent. Just my opinion. At this point they do have him though so they need to build around him. He’s defintely a stud player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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