Handswarmer 645 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 6. Kansas City Chiefs 2018 pass-blocking efficiency: 88.0 With the help of one of the best tackle duos in the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs allowed 141 total pressures from their 641 passing plays in 2018 but allowed just 13 sacks on the year, which tied with the Rams and the Steelers for the fourth-best mark among teams. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-pass-blocking-efficiency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WichitaZRide 321 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 But...but...but....everyone on here complains about our terrible online and how we are gonna get Mahomes killed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: 6. Kansas City Chiefs 2018 pass-blocking efficiency: 88.0 With the help of one of the best tackle duos in the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs allowed 141 total pressures from their 641 passing plays in 2018 but allowed just 13 sacks on the year, which tied with the Rams and the Steelers for the fourth-best mark among teams. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-pass-blocking-efficiency Without entirely saying our line was crap, I'd say Mahomes athleticism bailed them out quite a lot regarding the sacks. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Alex Smith might very well have been sacked 40 times behind that line. In fact, he was sacked 35 times the year before on far fewer attempts behind basically the same group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 PFF is so hit and miss. 1. The Chiefs gave up 26 sacks not 13. 2. We allowed 106 QB hits which is 24th in the league. In the playoffs. we were dead last in QB hits allowed if you rule out the Rams Having an extra game. Dead last in sacks allowed even with the Rams playing one more game. In the playoffs the line ranked 12th among 12 playoff teams per NFL.com. This was with all the starters playing. I don’t understand the myth that our line is good at pass blocking. Someone made a good point that we throw a lot of deep passes, but Mahomes also avoids a lot of sacks with his pocket presence. Between the tackles, we get demolished. Not usually as bad as the Pats wrecked us, but pretty bad. Many times it is 2 or 3 guys hitting Pat at the same time. Just saying, I will take a day one lineman please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, DieHard said: PFF is so hit and miss. 1. The Chiefs gave up 26 sacks not 13. 2. We allowed 106 QB hits which is 24th in the league. In the playoffs. we were dead last in QB hits allowed if you rule out the Rams Having an extra game. Dead last in sacks allowed even with the Rams playing one more game. In the playoffs the line ranked 12th among 12 playoff teams per NFL.com. This was with all the starters playing. I don’t understand the myth that our line is good at pass blocking. Someone made a good point that we throw a lot of deep passes, but Mahomes also avoids a lot of sacks with his pocket presence. Between the tackles, we get demolished. Not usually as bad as the Pats wrecked us, but pretty bad. Many times it is 2 or 3 guys hitting Pat at the same time. Just saying, I will take a day one lineman please. I'm pretty sure these PFF grades/rankings take out the plays that the sacks are on the QB. So yeah, they gave up 26 total, but PFF grades out the other 13 where it was basically Mahomes' fault. QB hits allowed could also coincide with the number of passing attempts made. The Chiefs were 9th in PA and gave up the 9th most QB hits, makes sense. No way the Chiefs should be taking OL first round. Round 4 on, ok, but this is not a dire need like CB, EDGE, S or even WR/RB is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WichitaZRide 321 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Exactly.... what people don't realize is that Mahomes rolls out immediately on many pass plays, putting himself in situations. When he starts moving like that, the oline is not going to be blamed for the sack/pressure. It also takes into account that after a certain amount of time, its not realistic to expect an o-lineman to hold his assignment for 45 seconds. we better not take online day one. That's ridiculous with our needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankstromboli 25 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, reesebobby said: Without entirely saying our line was crap, I'd say Mahomes athleticism bailed them out quite a lot regarding the sacks. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Alex Smith might very well have been sacked 40 times behind that line. In fact, he was sacked 35 times the year before on far fewer attempts behind basically the same group. Dead on. Mahomes is helping our oline tremendously. Not saying their bad but they're not elite. we're prob middle of the pack if we had any other qb(besides brady/rodgers/mahomes,etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 We blamed it on Smith. Now we blame it on Mahomes. Truth is, they are not very good between the tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, DieHard said: PFF is so hit and miss. 1. The Chiefs gave up 26 sacks not 13. 2. We allowed 106 QB hits which is 24th in the league. In the playoffs. we were dead last in QB hits allowed if you rule out the Rams Having an extra game. Dead last in sacks allowed even with the Rams playing one more game. In the playoffs the line ranked 12th among 12 playoff teams per NFL.com. This was with all the starters playing. I don’t understand the myth that our line is good at pass blocking. Someone made a good point that we throw a lot of deep passes, but Mahomes also avoids a lot of sacks with his pocket presence. Between the tackles, we get demolished. Not usually as bad as the Pats wrecked us, but pretty bad. Many times it is 2 or 3 guys hitting Pat at the same time. Just saying, I will take a day one lineman please. Our line is a decent pass blocking line. Nothing more. It looked improved this year because of the guy behind center, plain and simple, because he doesn't create phantom pressure. But the Patriots especially really exposed the line as a whole an pretty inept at handling "surprises." I will say Chandler Jones absolutely destroyed Fisher but other than that I don't remember the tackles heads up being beaten badly alot. Maybe I'm missing a game? We had backups across the interior line a TON last year. That should improve although I'd be looking center in the draft too to compete with Reiter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, DieHard said: We blamed it on Smith. Now we blame it on Mahomes. Truth is, they are not very good between the tackles. Not sure who's blaming Mahomes. He certainly helped the line. Despite 30 more attempts our sacks dropped from 37 to 26. Alex absolutely lacked a feel for pressure and just ran himself into sacks that weren't there way to much. But we do have a problem between the tackles which hopefully can be helped by health and the emergence of Khalil McKenzie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, DieHard said: We blamed it on Smith. Now we blame it on Mahomes. Truth is, they are not very good between the tackles. They aren't very good between the tackles but you can still place some of the blame on Mahomes. Doesn't have to be one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, DieHard said: We blamed it on Smith. Now we blame it on Mahomes. Truth is, they are not very good between the tackles. I wasn't blaming Mahomes, but YES, there are times where a sack is 100% the QBs fault. Mitch Morse didn't allow a sack for like 2 seasons so he'll be tough to replace. the Pats schemed all their pressure and we then hired that DL coach this past off-season so maybe he can also help the interior OL guys see new things they hadn't seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 4 hours ago, WichitaZRide said: But...but...but....everyone on here complains about our terrible online and how we are gonna get Mahomes killed.... Wait... we have an online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Palangi said: Wait... we have an online? Believe it or not we are all on the online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Not dating this is the worst line in the world. Just saying we are one injury from Fisher, Allen, Wiley:Rieter, LDT and Erving protecting the most talented young QB in franchise history. Just love a OT to put at G and develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Erving starting is never ideal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Troyofoc said: Believe it or not we are all on the online That would be on-the-line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 hours ago, DieHard said: Not dating this is the worst line in the world. Just saying we are one injury from Fisher, Allen, Wiley:Rieter, LDT and Erving protecting the most talented young QB in franchise history. Just love a OT to put at G and develop. Wait so you're saying that there are teams with 10 hall of famers ready to go if injuries occur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,121 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 hours ago, DieHard said: Not dating this is the worst line in the world. Just saying we are one injury from Fisher, Allen, Wiley:Rieter, LDT and Erving protecting the most talented young QB in franchise history. Just love a OT to put at G and develop. Just one injury = an injury to Schwartz then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Lamardirts said: Just one injury = an injury to Schwartz then I think we'll have a mid round OT coming in unless they really love Erving as a possible swing tackle. When you have a franchise QB you have to make sure that a single injury to a linemen doesn't put him at a major risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,251 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 17 hours ago, WichitaZRide said: Exactly.... what people don't realize is that Mahomes rolls out immediately on many pass plays, putting himself in situations. When he starts moving like that, the oline is not going to be blamed for the sack/pressure. It also takes into account that after a certain amount of time, its not realistic to expect an o-lineman to hold his assignment for 45 seconds. we better not take online day one. That's ridiculous with our needs. if veach takes Oline in the first two rounds then he needs to pull a magic Johnson and step the f*ck down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, KC Warpaint said: if veach takes Oline in the first two rounds then he needs to pull a magic Johnson and step the f*ck down What an odd take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 16 hours ago, DieHard said: Not dating this is the worst line in the world. Just saying we are one injury from Fisher, Allen, Wiley:Rieter, LDT and Erving protecting the most talented young QB in franchise history. Just love a OT to put at G and develop. Wife is happy to hear this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 5 hours ago, KC Warpaint said: if veach takes Oline in the first two rounds then he needs to pull a magic Johnson and step the f*ck down Seriously? I wouldn't rule out a center at all especially on day two. I would hope Veach wouldn't either. In fact other than a QB I'm not going to be upset about us taking any position the draft board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,251 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 6 hours ago, liquidfriend said: What an odd take. i would prefer a skill position (WR, TE) but i would be happy if we looked at Edge or CB for the first pick or even traded out i heard rumors today that the chiefs are looking at on of the 3 top TE's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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