xen 1,010,220 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said: Meh. What does Xen know? Oops - Just call me Sgt. Schultz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,424 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Several folks wondering why they took Hardman over a guy like Campbell. In my mind it is quite simple....Reid and Veach know Tyreek is probably gone. They like the skill set he provided for Mahomes plus the kick return game. So they looked at the board and said, "Which player most closely approximates what we have in Tyreek." I don't think it gets much more complicated than that. Hardman was lasered at 4.27. There is film of him blowing by some pretty fast corners. He scored the only 2 TD's in the semi final game against Alabama. One of those was an 80 yard pass play. Does he need work? Yes. Am I confident Andy and Co. will develop this guy? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 12 hours ago, xen said: Just call me Sgt. Schultz... OK, Sarge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 On 4/26/2019 at 9:08 PM, xen said: Actually I think Mecole probably would have been gone where we picked. Best combination of speed and quickness at receiver in this draft. Kid is a hands catcher as well. He may be on the smaller side but he's rocked up and tough. Transitions to a runner is almost instant and dude has speed to burn. Criminally underused in college in that run first and second offense. I am guessing you haven't see Marquise Brown play..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Handswarmer said: I am guessing you haven't see Marquise Brown play..... Quite a bit actually. I live in Oklahoma yo. He'll get broken in half eventually with his build and Hardman has been timed faster than the faster 40 I've seen from Brown. They both have route issues, but Brown is further on in his development. I do like him as a player. Not necessarily with the running QB, but still, good player. The injury concerns are real though. His weight is in the bottom 1% of NFL wideouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, xen said: Quite a bit actually. I live in Oklahoma yo. He'll get broken in half eventually with his build and Hardman has been timed faster than the faster 40 I've seen from Brown. They both have route issues, but Brown is further on in his development. I do like him as a player. Not necessarily with the running QB, but still, good player. The injury concerns are real though. His weight is in the bottom 1% of NFL wideouts. Tyreek Hill 5' 10" 185 lbs Marquis Brown 5' 10" 168 lbs Not that he can't bulk up..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Tyreek Hill 5' 10" 185 lbs Marquis Brown 5' 10" 168 lbs Not that he can't bulk up..... Not sure how much he can bulk up. Tyreek and Hardman are built more like a running back. Brown is very wiry. You should also be concerned about that Lisfranc. It has ruined more than 1 career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I’d be more concerned with Jackson throwing the ball anywhere near him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: Tyreek Hill 5' 10" 185 lbs Marquis Brown 5' 10" 168 lbs Not that he can't bulk up..... I watch a ton of Big 12 football and obviously OU dominates this league so I'll bet I saw 80 percent of Hollywoods games over the past two years. He's a lightning rod for sure. And unlike Hardman he's much more polished so they can likely get quite a bit out of him as a WR much quicker. Fun player who will play through pain as the most recent injury proves. That said, his body type of competely different than Tyreek who's built like a RB and I'm pretty confident he's gonna have some injury issues because of it. And that dreaded foot injury is always a red flag to me. Just ask Sammy Watkins. He also played around the absolute best oline and QBs in college football the last two years which inflate the stats to some extent. Solid draft pick though. And what we know for sure if you want offensive players, look for them in the Big 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Handswarmer said: I am guessing you haven't see Marquise Brown play..... Im guessing you don't realize you have WR throwing too a WR. So it doesn't really matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, xen said: Not sure how much he can bulk up. Tyreek and Hardman are built more like a running back. Brown is very wiry. You should also be concerned about that Lisfranc. It has ruined more than 1 career. True but he played thru it in the Big 12 Championship game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 10 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 18 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said: Name someone with his skill set and speed. I don't think there was, Jet. There is a reason Toub was ecstatic. They had their eye on him and moved up to get him. They were not impressed with Tre Smith last year, and neither was I. Parris Campbell pretty much same speed, DK Metcalf pretty much same speed none of the 3 can run the whole route tree yet but both better receivers than Hardman could've took one of them and saved the 5th rd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Interesting Las Vegas has Hollywood Brown the 25th pick and Mecole Hardman the 56th pick both listed at 10-1 for NFL offensive rookie of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, SEMO said: I’d be more concerned with Jackson throwing the ball anywhere near him. LJ been working on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: Interesting Las Vegas has Hollywood Brown the 25th pick and Mecole Hardman the 56th pick both listed at 10-1 for NFL offensive rookie of the year. I honestly don't care what Vegas thinks.....its all a crap shoot. People in here have said "Oh, Brown benefited from Top Notch Qb's and Oline play so his stats were inflated"---->>same could be said for hardman playing with the League MVP and only 1 off 2 intact Olines from last year. I like the plays that Brown makes- I like the way he makes people miss. He takes a 7yd dump off and turns it into a 70 yd TD sprint. He's a playmaker and I like the pick. There are nine teams who have never had an OROY winner: Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles, San Francisco 49ers, and Seattle Seahawks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 53 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: I honestly don't care what Vegas thinks.....its all a crap shoot. People in here have said "Oh, Brown benefited from Top Notch Qb's and Oline play so his stats were inflated"---->>same could be said for hardman playing with the League MVP and only 1 off 2 intact Olines from last year. I like the plays that Brown makes- I like the way he makes people miss. He takes a 7yd dump off and turns it into a 70 yd TD sprint. He's a playmaker and I like the pick. There are nine teams who have never had an OROY winner: Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles, San Francisco 49ers, and Seattle Seahawks As I said Brown is a much more advanced actual WR than Hardman who is clearly still raw. Hardman was compared to Devin Hester by the best in the business Dave Toub and I think that's how he will be used as a rookie whereas Brown should start from Day one at WR. I think the odds above totally reflect our superiority at QB more than anything. In fact if the oddsmakers considered how complex Andy's offense are for even seasoned WRs, they probably wouldn't have posted those odds. All things considered if I had to bet on a OROY guy it wouldnt be either of these. N Harry is probably the best WR candidate at 16-1. Jacobs at 9-1 is probably the best bet. It's Kylers to lose though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Shadow said: Parris Campbell pretty much same speed, DK Metcalf pretty much same speed none of the 3 can run the whole route tree yet but both better receivers than Hardman could've took one of them and saved the 5th rd pick I am guessing Hardman was picked, because we need a dominant kick returner. He also has terrific hands...apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Handswarmer said: I honestly don't care what Vegas thinks.....its all a crap shoot. People in here have said "Oh, Brown benefited from Top Notch Qb's and Oline play so his stats were inflated"---->>same could be said for hardman playing with the League MVP and only 1 off 2 intact Olines from last year. I like the plays that Brown makes- I like the way he makes people miss. He takes a 7yd dump off and turns it into a 70 yd TD sprint. He's a playmaker and I like the pick. There are nine teams who have never had an OROY winner: Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles, San Francisco 49ers, and Seattle Seahawks To bad Mahomes did not count after sitting a year or we would have. On the flip side we have had 4 defensive rookie if the year players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/26412/mecole-hardmans-similarities-to-tyreek-hill-are-even-more-obvious-now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbarnabee 225 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Brown is gonna broken in half by mid-season. Tyreek was a running back in college and can take a licking. Hardman similar build. I like what brown can do, but he plays in the AFC North. He is gonna take some big hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Hardmann ran crap routes in practice said Reid but he imp[roved every day. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 58 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Hardmann ran crap routes in practice said Reid but he imp[roved every day. Awesome. Hill was the same way. Like Veach said, you can teach routes but cant teach speed. Not verbatim but his gist of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Hill was the same way. Like Veach said, you can teach routes but cant teach speed. Not verbatim but his gist of it. Yep. Give him a year or two. He will never have the play speed of Hill, but no one does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,713 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Let's review: -Reid wanted Hardmann -The Offense is set up for Hardmann / Hill -MVP is distributing the ball -TE is a All Pro -Sammy Watkins is the other WR. That's enough for me until they put the pads on w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 What I tell y'all about Mecole. Hands catcher vs the body catchers that were the other 3 speedsters in that draft range... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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