Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 If the Chiefs had known what they know now about Hill, do you think they would have not traded the #1 for Clark and used it on someone like Marquis Brown? Yes, I realize they would have had to trade up but the picks they traded for Clark are essentially the same as that move. Watching his tape, he looks alot like Tyreek Hill in his YAC, ability to make people miss and speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I think that's what we went through. Hill was cleared prior to the Clark trade so it's safe to assume that Chiefs were expecting him to be available in 2019. Veteran DE has mostly been a luxury for the Chiefs as Veach didn't pursue any big names in FA and more importantly Clark wasn't supposed to be on the trading block. They probably considered DB as the only other major need entering the draft and decided to make a splash with Clark trade only to have a huge hole opened up in a new position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,694 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I don't think so, defensive end was always a priority. It looks even better that we traded for Clark because if we would have stood pat we would have gotten the 7th best edge rusher in the draft. Clark is clearly worth more than that and we were still able to get someone who could slot into Hill's position. We finally have the luxury of a QB who can make WR's around him look better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,812 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: If the Chiefs had known what they know now about Hill, do you think they would have not traded the #1 for Clark and used it on someone like Marquis Brown? Yes, I realize they would have had to trade up but the picks they traded for Clark are essentially the same as that move. Watching his tape, he looks alot like Tyreek Hill in his YAC, ability to make people miss and speed. Clark’s deal was in the works for weeks, before the DA declined to press charges. The only thing Hill’s situation caused, was moving up for a receiver instead of a corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 No they still do the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, soonerborn77 said: I don't think so, defensive end was always a priority. It looks even better that we traded for Clark because if we would have stood pat we would have gotten the 7th best edge rusher in the draft. Clark is clearly worth more than that and we were still able to get someone who could slot into Hill's position. We finally have the luxury of a QB who can make WR's around him look better.... With the 84th pick the Chiefs passed on Sack Daddy Ferguson, who is the all time sack leader in FBS history, who went to the Ravens at 85....so pass rusher wasn't a prioroty Not sure Hardman can "slot into Hill's position" as a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Handswarmer said: With the 84th pick the Chiefs passed on Sack Daddy Ferguson, who is the all time sack leader in FBS history, who went to the Ravens at 85.... Not sure Hardman can "slot into Hill's position" as a rookie. Huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: With the 84th pick the Chiefs passed on Sack Daddy Ferguson, who is the all time sack leader in FBS history, who went to the Ravens at 85....so pass rusher wasn't a prioroty Not sure Hardman can "slot into Hill's position" as a rookie. What? Do I really have to lay this out for you, it wasn't a priority AFTER we got Clark but it was BEFORE we got him which was in response to your initial question.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: With the 84th pick the Chiefs passed on Sack Daddy Ferguson, who is the all time sack leader in FBS history, who went to the Ravens at 85....so pass rusher wasn't a prioroty Not sure Hardman can "slot into Hill's position" as a rookie. Rounding out the top ten college sack leaders: 2. JaVon Rolland Jones 3. Hau'Oli Kikaha 4. Bruce Miller 5. Phillip Hunt 6. Ryan Kerrigan 7. Von Miller (I'll give you that one) 8. Trent Murphy 9. Oshane Ximines 10. Derek Barrett I'm not sure why anyone would give a shit about this stat based on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 I think they still do it. It’s a really good question though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Balto said: Huh 1 hour ago, soonerborn77 said: What? Do I really have to lay this out for you, it wasn't a priority AFTER we got Clark but it was BEFORE we got him which was in response to your initial question.... 42 minutes ago, reesebobby said: Rounding out the top ten college sack leaders: 2. JaVon Rolland Jones 3. Hau'Oli Kikaha 4. Bruce Miller 5. Phillip Hunt 6. Ryan Kerrigan 7. Von Miller (I'll give you that one) 8. Trent Murphy 9. Oshane Ximines 10. Derek Barrett I'm not sure why anyone would give a shit about this stat based on this list. C'mon, "Sack Daddy"? You can't pass that up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: C'mon, "Sack Daddy"? You can't pass that up! It's the worst nickname ever. Maybe David "Goldenballs" Beckham is close to as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, reesebobby said: It's the worst nickname ever. Maybe David "Goldenballs" Beckham is close to as bad. Hingle McCringleberry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Just now, Handswarmer said: Hingle McCringleberry? Bad also. But probably not as bad as sack man or whatever your guy from Louisiana poly tech is called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, reesebobby said: Bad also. But probably not as bad as sack man or whatever your guy from Louisiana poly tech is called. "Sack Daddy"....coming to a field near you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Handswarmer said: "Sack Daddy"....coming to a field near you..... Probably as a migrant farm worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,663 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Back to the original question, I think yes. If you are gonna transition to a 4-3, you have to get someone like Clark. There's nobody there at 29 as a wideout that's gonna replace Hill's production any more than there is at 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Not much difference in the grades between Brown, Hardman and Isabella. They were all late first to mid second round grades with fairly similar height and speed. And the writing was on the wall that all the good 43 ends were going to be long gone. So yeah that trade was going down regardless. I think it was too important to what Spags needs on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Warparty 69 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Chiefs always needed more line depth, and needed another plus rusher. think of how Spags and the GMen beat Brady . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,121 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Hollywood Brown is really small. Like 168 pounds thats like 20 lbs less than Tyreek. Also I'm a little leery of the wr's that come out of the Oklahoma system. There always seems to be a smallish wr that racks up the stats at OU and then kinda fizzles in the NFL. Not sure Brown is any different. I think Hardman has more upside than most in this draft but we will have to give him a year or two to develop. If your looking for a player that most closely mirrors Tyreek Hill it would be Hardman. The exact same size and Hardmans 40 time is .02 of a second slower. Both were dynamic returners and raw receivers coming out. IMO had we drafted Brown in the first we would be a worse football team and it wouldn't be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NChiefsCorner 496 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 No, I think Mecole Hardman is going to be a better WR than Marquis Brown, also Brown is coming off an injury so he is damaged goods for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,785 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 6 hours ago, reesebobby said: Rounding out the top ten college sack leaders: 2. JaVon Rolland Jones 3. Hau'Oli Kikaha 4. Bruce Miller 5. Phillip Hunt 6. Ryan Kerrigan 7. Von Miller (I'll give you that one) 8. Trent Murphy 9. Oshane Ximines 10. Derek Barrett I'm not sure why anyone would give a shit about this stat based on this list. Bruce Miller became a fullback too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 19 hours ago, reesebobby said: Rounding out the top ten college sack leaders: 2. JaVon Rolland Jones 3. Hau'Oli Kikaha 4. Bruce Miller 5. Phillip Hunt 6. Ryan Kerrigan 7. Von Miller (I'll give you that one) 8. Trent Murphy 9. Oshane Ximines 10. Derek Barrett I'm not sure why anyone would give a shit about this stat based on this list. He broke Terell Suggs' record for most sacks in NCAA- Suggs has had a pretty good career and he came out of college when he was 20 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 4/30/2019 at 10:02 AM, Handswarmer said: With the 84th pick the Chiefs passed on Sack Daddy Ferguson, who is the all time sack leader in FBS history, who went to the Ravens at 85....so pass rusher wasn't a prioroty Not sure Hardman can "slot into Hill's position" as a rookie. Well interesting thing is, you're drafting based on NFL projection and not NCAA production. Otherwise Mike Leach QB's would have been really badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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