dhitter 1,424 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 On 5/9/2019 at 7:33 AM, FANATIC said: Not sure that makes him a rat. We see good players linger in free agency in all sports. Lots of teams waiting to see what their rosters look like after the draft etc. Not specifically calling him a rat. Just the premise that he is this top tier player that the Chiefs need to go after. A lot of guys get signed later on...this is true. They usually tend to be role players that a team can get for a good price. I think some fans see this guy as a major upgrade at the LB position. He may be a slight upgrade IMO. But not tfor the money he would expect. FANATIC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 The Patriots completely get it. Dont trade picks and overpay guys. Accumulate draft picks. Then sign guys on short deals after the draft etc. Chiefs could have used this guy. Patriots keep getting better 24/7 everyday year after year. JAMIE COLLINSLB, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS Patriots signed LB Jamie Collins. Collins is back with the Patriots after being traded to the Browns in 2016. He's coming off a middling season, but Collins knows Bill Belichick's scheme and played his best years in New England. Collins is expected to get in some on-field work during OTAs. SOURCE: Jim McBride on Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,661 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, FANATIC said: The Patriots completely get it. Dont trade picks and overpay guys. Accumulate draft picks. Then sign guys on short deals after the draft etc. Chiefs could have used this guy. Patriots keep getting better 24/7 everyday year after year. JAMIE COLLINSLB, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS Patriots signed LB Jamie Collins. Collins is back with the Patriots after being traded to the Browns in 2016. He's coming off a middling season, but Collins knows Bill Belichick's scheme and played his best years in New England. Collins is expected to get in some on-field work during OTAs. SOURCE: Jim McBride on Twitter It will be interesting to see if the Patriots still completely get it once Brady retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, FANATIC said: The Patriots completely get it. Dont trade picks and overpay guys. Accumulate draft picks. Then sign guys on short deals after the draft etc. Chiefs could have used this guy. Patriots keep getting better 24/7 everyday year after year. JAMIE COLLINSLB, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS Patriots signed LB Jamie Collins. Collins is back with the Patriots after being traded to the Browns in 2016. He's coming off a middling season, but Collins knows Bill Belichick's scheme and played his best years in New England. Collins is expected to get in some on-field work during OTAs. SOURCE: Jim McBride on Twitter Um, you do realize these players have a choice where they go, right! Not really concerned about the NE Patriots. They lost Gronk and Flowers and Tom Brady is a year older. We lost by lining up in the nuetral zone and not being able to stop a final drive with 3 3rd and longs. We will be better overall and they won't be. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: Um, you do realize these players have a choice where they go, right! Not really concerned about the NE Patriots. They lost Gronk and Flowers and Tom Brady is a year older. We lost by lining up in the nuetral zone and not being able to stop a final drive with 3 3rd and longs. We will be better overall and they won't be. Ofcourse I know they choose where they go. There was more to my point than just that player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 9 hours ago, FANATIC said: Ofcourse I know they choose where they go. There was more to my point than just that player. Up until now the Chiefs could never do this because we don’t have a qb that draws this type of FA. Now we do and I agree we should take a page from their book and utilize it. But I’m not overly worried about them signing Mr Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,685 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 https://heavy.com/sports/kansas-city-chiefs/chiefs-linked-to-former-all-pro-linebacker-in-trade-discussions/?fbclid=IwAR15-i0Vd0DCBTWgWok7IwSqfUmwPrcl8x_d4rhAbJZx9X_I8D-Zn8VVLZE Chiefs Linked to Former All-Pro Linebacker in Trade Discussions After getting smothered during the first two regular-season games of the 2021 season, there’s a noticeable need for a difference-maker on the Kansas City Chiefs defense. Even with Frank Clark, Chris Jones, and Tyrann Mathieu, there are too many issues arising at other spots on the defense that have caused the Chiefs’ defense to struggle early this season. That’s why through two weeks the unit is the worst rush defense in the NFL in several categories, along with being tied for fifth-worst in the league in sacks (3) and last in pressures (10), per Pro Football Reference. That’s why it would make plenty of sense for the Chiefs to bring in some veteran talent at this point in this season to help solve several issues on defense. One name brought up, for this reason, is Detroit Lions linebacker, Jamie Collins. ALL the latest Chiefs news straight to your inbox! Join the Heavy on Chiefs newsletter here! Collins on Trade Block Collins was held out of practice Wednesday and has been the subject of trade discussions between Detroit and other teams, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter. The team is fielding calls and is exploring a trade for the veteran linebacker. This brings about an important question given the circumstances for the Chiefs through two weeks of the regular season: would Jamie Collins makes sense for the defending AFC champions? Let’s take a look at what we know regarding both potential trade parties. Does Trade Make Sense for Chiefs? The Lions are in rebuild mode given the fact that they are continuing to try and get younger on both sides of the football and have major holes at some of the most important positions on the team, like quarterback, wide receiver, several spots along the offensive line and in the secondary, per PFF’s grading. So, shipping away Collins, 31, makes sense for a team that has five draft picks in 2022 and could use some more to expedite their rebuild. Because Collins is potentially being traded in-season, any team that was to acquire him would only owe the veteran $3.378 million for the rest of the season, as mentioned by ESPN’s Field Yates on Twitter. He also notes that using a bit of salary cap manipulation Detroit could drop Collins’ base salary by paying him a signing bonus, making him an even more intriguing trade target. Collins excels as a run defender and pass rusher, earning PFF grades of 79.8 and 82.3 respectively in those categories through two weeks of the 2021 regular season. And, as mentioned earlier, those are two areas the Chiefs need a lot of help in. Tack on the fact that Kansas City currently has $9.156 million in available cap space, per the NFLPA’s public salary cap report — that leaves plenty of financial room for the Chiefs to bring Collins aboard even if his base salary wasn’t adjusted prior to him being traded. Kansas City also has seven draft picks in 2022 to utilize in a trade (first rounder, second rounder, third rounder, fourth rounder, sixth rounder, two seventh rounders), via Pro Football Network. As the Chiefs Wire’s Charles Goldman pointed out, Kansas City defensive line coach Brendan Daly was a defensive assistant coach in New England when Collins was a Patriot, which could draw Kansas City to have a bit more interest in the veteran thanks to the additional intel on him. The last thing to figure out is how to fit Collins on the active roster. The most obvious position they can demote a body to the practice squad from is tight end. Travis Kelce, Blake Bell, Jody Fortson, and Noah Gray have been on the active roster through the first two weeks of the regular season. But there isn’t necessarily a need to have all of them on the active roster thanks to practice squad rules, which include the ability to protect players from being poached by other teams. Demoting one of them — likely Fortson — would create a spot on the 53-man squad for Collins. So to bring it back around — trading for Collins would make sense for the Chiefs. Given Kansas City’s need for a stout run defender and another body that can pressure the quarterback consistently, Collins fits the mold of a cheap, veteran playmaker that can help the reigning AFC champions as they attempt to make their third straight Super Bowl appearance. Luckily, the linebacker room will be welcoming back Willie Gay (toe) from injured reserve soon, which will also help some of their defensive woes. But bringing in Collins can only help solidify a defense that has looked helpless at the start of the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Interesting. We need help. I wouldn’t sink a high pick into the trade because we can’t afford to resign him. DOD straight up. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, DieHard said: Interesting. We need help. I wouldn’t sink a high pick into the trade because we can’t afford to resign him. DOD straight up. 😁 Do you want Toub to kick your ass? DieHard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, SEMO said: Do you want Toub to kick your ass? Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Trade him and Neimann straight up. Get Neimann off the team. So Spags isn’t tempted to play him oldtimer and Burpo The Mad Clown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 9 hours ago, oldtimer said: https://heavy.com/sports/kansas-city-chiefs/chiefs-linked-to-former-all-pro-linebacker-in-trade-discussions/?fbclid=IwAR15-i0Vd0DCBTWgWok7IwSqfUmwPrcl8x_d4rhAbJZx9X_I8D-Zn8VVLZE Chiefs Linked to Former All-Pro Linebacker in Trade Discussions After getting smothered during the first two regular-season games of the 2021 season, there’s a noticeable need for a difference-maker on the Kansas City Chiefs defense. Even with Frank Clark, Chris Jones, and Tyrann Mathieu, there are too many issues arising at other spots on the defense that have caused the Chiefs’ defense to struggle early this season. That’s why through two weeks the unit is the worst rush defense in the NFL in several categories, along with being tied for fifth-worst in the league in sacks (3) and last in pressures (10), per Pro Football Reference. That’s why it would make plenty of sense for the Chiefs to bring in some veteran talent at this point in this season to help solve several issues on defense. One name brought up, for this reason, is Detroit Lions linebacker, Jamie Collins. ALL the latest Chiefs news straight to your inbox! Join the Heavy on Chiefs newsletter here! Collins on Trade Block Collins was held out of practice Wednesday and has been the subject of trade discussions between Detroit and other teams, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter. The team is fielding calls and is exploring a trade for the veteran linebacker. This brings about an important question given the circumstances for the Chiefs through two weeks of the regular season: would Jamie Collins makes sense for the defending AFC champions? Let’s take a look at what we know regarding both potential trade parties. Does Trade Make Sense for Chiefs? The Lions are in rebuild mode given the fact that they are continuing to try and get younger on both sides of the football and have major holes at some of the most important positions on the team, like quarterback, wide receiver, several spots along the offensive line and in the secondary, per PFF’s grading. So, shipping away Collins, 31, makes sense for a team that has five draft picks in 2022 and could use some more to expedite their rebuild. Because Collins is potentially being traded in-season, any team that was to acquire him would only owe the veteran $3.378 million for the rest of the season, as mentioned by ESPN’s Field Yates on Twitter. He also notes that using a bit of salary cap manipulation Detroit could drop Collins’ base salary by paying him a signing bonus, making him an even more intriguing trade target. Collins excels as a run defender and pass rusher, earning PFF grades of 79.8 and 82.3 respectively in those categories through two weeks of the 2021 regular season. And, as mentioned earlier, those are two areas the Chiefs need a lot of help in. Tack on the fact that Kansas City currently has $9.156 million in available cap space, per the NFLPA’s public salary cap report — that leaves plenty of financial room for the Chiefs to bring Collins aboard even if his base salary wasn’t adjusted prior to him being traded. Kansas City also has seven draft picks in 2022 to utilize in a trade (first rounder, second rounder, third rounder, fourth rounder, sixth rounder, two seventh rounders), via Pro Football Network. As the Chiefs Wire’s Charles Goldman pointed out, Kansas City defensive line coach Brendan Daly was a defensive assistant coach in New England when Collins was a Patriot, which could draw Kansas City to have a bit more interest in the veteran thanks to the additional intel on him. The last thing to figure out is how to fit Collins on the active roster. The most obvious position they can demote a body to the practice squad from is tight end. Travis Kelce, Blake Bell, Jody Fortson, and Noah Gray have been on the active roster through the first two weeks of the regular season. But there isn’t necessarily a need to have all of them on the active roster thanks to practice squad rules, which include the ability to protect players from being poached by other teams. Demoting one of them — likely Fortson — would create a spot on the 53-man squad for Collins. So to bring it back around — trading for Collins would make sense for the Chiefs. Given Kansas City’s need for a stout run defender and another body that can pressure the quarterback consistently, Collins fits the mold of a cheap, veteran playmaker that can help the reigning AFC champions as they attempt to make their third straight Super Bowl appearance. Luckily, the linebacker room will be welcoming back Willie Gay (toe) from injured reserve soon, which will also help some of their defensive woes. But bringing in Collins can only help solidify a defense that has looked helpless at the start of the regular season. Sounds like the only person linking them to him is Charles Goldman. He has no more sources than anyone else here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 12 hours ago, Palangi said: Trade him and Neimann straight up. Get Neimann off the team. So Spags isn’t tempted to play him We don’t want to make a desperate move. Gay has to earn his way back. Burpo The Mad Clown and ChiefThunder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Calichief said: We don’t want to make a desperate move. Gay has to earn his way back. And Neimann probably hasn’t done anything to lose his spot either artsy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Palangi said: And Neimann probably hasn’t done anything to lose his spot either My guess. Is KC does see the problems clearly. The difference is they dont see better options on the roster. Im sure they would like more talent. NFL Salary Cap works. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,685 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Released! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Released! Is he an outright UFA or subject to the waiver process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Is he an outright UFA or subject to the waiver process? i believe he can go to a team he wants, he is a FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 My only question is if we sign him, how fast will he pick up Spags scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 minute ago, kkuenn said: My only question is if we sign him, how fast will he pick up Spags scheme? He could stand still waving his arms and be an improvement. LOL artsy, Iluvhouse24 and oldtimer 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 minute ago, AFCWEST said: He could stand still waving his arms and be an improvement. LOL We have that in Niemann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, kkuenn said: We have that in Niemann But he is shorter. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Spags and Andy are looking into if he had a good camp before moving further. Iluvhouse24 and KC Warpaint 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Collins was cut Chiefs should really consider. Need some sort of veteran presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,219 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Collins has looked comically terrible outside of New England. Browns and Lions learned this the hard way. Not sure why we think it would be different here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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