Mloe68 1,521 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: TE2 and CB are where we need to focus. We have good depth and competition at literally every other spot except kicker (which we dont need). Even punter isan area of competition. And as much as I love Colquitt, if Fox can take his job and save some cap space...so be it. Agree completely. Now that we are pretty confident Tyreek won't be suspended long term (now watch Goodell screw him), I feel good about the position. I mean how many teams have two guys that are truly capable of plus 1,000 yard, 10 TD type seasons like we do. We've replaced the known mediocrity of Conley with a potential higher upside guy in Hardman. And another year of experience should make Robinson better. If someone gets hurt sure we can pluck one of the free agents. But the corner position is just riddled with questions. Same with TE beyond Kelce although as we pointed out before Andy can generally get any half way decent TE to produce here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,210 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: Agree completely. Now that we are pretty confident Tyreek won't be suspended long term (now watch Goodell screw him), I feel good about the position. I mean how many teams have two guys that are truly capable of plus 1,000 yard, 10 TD type seasons like we do. We've replaced the known mediocrity of Conley with a potential higher upside guy in Hardman. And another year of experience should make Robinson better. If someone gets hurt sure we can pluck one of the free agents. But the corner position is just riddled with questions. Same with TE beyond Kelce although as we pointed out before Andy can generally get any half way decent TE to produce here. TE and CB are probably okay as long as no one gets injured, but how many seasons go by with that happening. Even with a healthy Kelce, there's no obvious #2 so unless someone emerges in TC, that could be a problem in some formations. Who knows who the fourth and fifth CB will be. T. Smith is gone in my predicted final roster and Fenton's ability is unknown. Maybe the best solution is to pencil in one of the Safeties to move to CB in the nickle if any of the top three CBs go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 41 minutes ago, jetlord said: TE and CB are probably okay as long as no one gets injured, but how many seasons go by with that happening. Even with a healthy Kelce, there's no obvious #2 so unless someone emerges in TC, that could be a problem in some formations. Who knows who the fourth and fifth CB will be. T. Smith is gone in my predicted final roster and Fenton's ability is unknown. Maybe the best solution is to pencil in one of the Safeties to move to CB in the nickle if any of the top three CBs go down. Problem at corner is we have legit questions with the starters as well. Fuller is great in the slot but Breeland only played well sporadically at the end of last year as he came back from injury. Ward has what, four career starts? Beyond that are even bigger question marks. This position is just begging Veach to address it for real. I wouldn't rule out the Patrick Peterson deal still happening we have that many questions there. I'd like to think they saw something during the offseason that inspired tangible confidence. And maybe the did. But man were the reports good on Amerson last offseason until he had to actually play in a game. We do have several safeties capable of handling a dime corner type role. I guess from that standpoint we are a little better off than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,210 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Mloe68 said: Problem at corner is we have legit questions with the starters as well. Fuller is great in the slot but Breeland only played well sporadically at the end of last year as he came back from injury. Ward has what, four career starts? Beyond that are even bigger question marks. This position is just begging Veach to address it for real. I wouldn't rule out the Patrick Peterson deal still happening we have that many questions there. I'd like to think they saw something during the offseason that inspired tangible confidence. And maybe the did. But man were the reports good on Amerson last offseason until he had to actually play in a game. Spags reportedly liked what he saw in Ward in films of the last four games of last season. Breeland looked good in the second half of the season and can play when/if healthy. Fuller is solid. So it's easy to be sold on the starters but beyond that, it's really thin. It's hard to imagine who the fourth and fifth CBs will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 48 minutes ago, jetlord said: Spags reportedly liked what he saw in Ward in films of the last four games of last season. Breeland looked good in the second half of the season and can play when/if healthy. Fuller is solid. So it's easy to be sold on the starters but beyond that, it's really thin. It's hard to imagine who the fourth and fifth CBs will be. Nailed it Jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, jetlord said: Spags reportedly liked what he saw in Ward in films of the last four games of last season. Breeland looked good in the second half of the season and can play when/if healthy. Fuller is solid. So it's easy to be sold on the starters but beyond that, it's really thin. It's hard to imagine who the fourth and fifth CBs will be. Spags like size in his corners and the tape breakdown I've read about also really reflected well on Ward. But again its a VERY small sample size and Marcus Cooper looked similarly effective but was really exposed a year later. Breeland posted a sub 60 PFF rating last year and really only played well once. Even at his best he really hasn't proven himself any upgrade over Nelson. At least he is better suited outside which I guess makes him a better fit though with Fuller and Mathieu likely to man the nickel roles. Still just too many questions in this overall group for a team competing for a Super Bowl in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I feel if we stand pat we will see a combo of Mathieu,thornhill, and watts on the field with one of the first 2 playing in the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Mloe68 said: Spags like size in his corners and the tape breakdown I've read about also really reflected well on Ward. But again its a VERY small sample size and Marcus Cooper looked similarly effective but was really exposed a year later. Breeland posted a sub 60 PFF rating last year and really only played well once. Even at his best he really hasn't proven himself any upgrade over Nelson. At least he is better suited outside which I guess makes him a better fit though with Fuller and Mathieu likely to man the nickel roles. Still just too many questions in this overall group for a team competing for a Super Bowl in my opinion. Great point. Cooper was very good that first year. Huge surprise. But then couldn’t repeat. Other guys like Brandon Carr were huge surprise starters to me and did back it up. He is not what he was with the Chiefs but still lacing up at age 33. We really need Ward to be Carr and not Cooper. I am cautiously optimistic about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,124 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I thought Breeland played well the last half of the year. Not surprising as he got healed up from an injury previously. I was never a fan of Nelson regardless of what his PFF numbers said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: I thought Breeland played well the last half of the year. Not surprising as he got healed up from an injury previously. I was never a fan of Nelson regardless of what his PFF numbers said. I'm with you on that to me pff and the eye ball test didn't match up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefsFoolFan 149 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, DieHard said: Great point. Cooper was very good that first year. Huge surprise. But then couldn’t repeat. Other guys like Brandon Carr were huge surprise starters to me and did back it up. He is not what he was with the Chiefs but still lacing up at age 33. We really need Ward to be Carr and not Cooper. I am cautiously optimistic about him. I am cautiously optimistic with Ward as well. He got eaten up in the Seattle game and was thrown to the wolves off the bat. After the first game he seemed to have things figured out. Anything is going to be better than trotting Scandrick, Nelson, and Parker out there in the secondary. I have nothing against those guys as people, they just sucked as pros last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Lamardirts said: I thought Breeland played well the last half of the year. Not surprising as he got healed up from an injury previously. I was never a fan of Nelson regardless of what his PFF numbers said. He didn’t. He was inconsistent and overall very average at best. It’s why he only got 1 year for 5 million while Nelson got 3 years and 25 million. Not to be all negative about him, Breeland was the highest graded corner in the NFL week 15 I believe. So skills are there. And again his best grades come when he works outside, which is a good fit. Still, he’s a question mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Troyofoc said: I'm with you on that to me pff and the eye ball test didn't match up. You can't trust the eyeball test on corners. We're watching the broadcast. The only time they show the corners is if they're in the play. Except for a few replays where they're breaking down coverage you're not gonna notice. I guess maybe if you're at the game and doing nothing but focus on one corner but absolutely zero people do that. The grades are based on coaches tape breakdowns at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: He didn’t. He was inconsistent and overall very average at best. It’s why he only got 1 year for 5 million while Nelson got 3 years and 25 million. Not to be all negative about him, Breeland was the highest graded corner in the NFL week 15 I believe. So skills are there. And again his best grades come when he works outside, which is a good fit. Still, he’s a question mark. Yeah I agree. While I do think Nelson was better than many fans, I'm not as high on him as PFF was. That's a good contract for an average corner. I'm also not super high on Breeland. We'll see. He's rebounding from that injury but he's been very inconsistent over his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 This free agent list was last updated on 7/13/19: https://nfltraderumors.co/top-25-2019-nfl-free-agents-list/ As you can imagine, there's not much to write home about for any position. As we progress through training camp and get down to cut day, we could see some movement as teams get more acquainted with their own rosters. There's always that handful of surprise cuts teams make and maybe a CB or TE could get released that we can't look at right now. As of now, Morris Claiborne is the highest rated CB available. I'm not familiar with his skill set or how well he played last year, I'm guessing not very well but could be an option for a cheaper, experienced 4th CB. Or even Sam Shields. I wonder if Antonio Gates or Austin Seferian-Jenkins would be considered by KC as the #2 TE option? Seferian-Jenkins is still only 26 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 i'm just not sure why we're all that concerned about the #2 tight end. if Kelce gets hurt for an extended time, we were not gonna replace his production with Incompletrius Harris and we're not going to replace his production with what we have now. If he doesn't get hurt, then is it really that hard to replace Harris' production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 781 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Dont rule out keith reaser starting over breeland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 15 hours ago, Troyofoc said: I'm with you on that to me pff and the eye ball test didn't match up. I am so glad he signed with Pittsburgh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 We love to focus on his shortcomings but Nelson was a decent CB for the most part and has been mostly healthy throughout his career. Not sure if they are considering him outside but he got a decent deal for a NB. Breeland has talent but wants a multi-year deal which won't come with his injury history. Besides he's not that much better than Nelson in terms of consistency, so I don't think there's anything wrong with Nelson getting a longer term deal with more money as he has somewhat proven few things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,614 Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share Posted July 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, sith13 said: We love to focus on his shortcomings but Nelson was a decent CB for the most part and has been mostly healthy throughout his career. Not sure if they are considering him outside but he got a decent deal for a NB. Breeland has talent but wants a multi-year deal which won't come with his injury history. Besides he's not that much better than Nelson in terms of consistency, so I don't think there's anything wrong with Nelson getting a longer term deal with more money as he has somewhat proven few things. If Nelson learns to turn his head around he would become deadly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, kkuenn said: If Nelson learns to turn his head around he would become deadly! They are probably counting on it. He was turning his head to begin the season, did really well against some WRs like Antonio Brown but seemed to regress considerably as season went along, which is quite unusual in contract seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I am not big on Nelson. I think he can stay pretty healthy but would want him as my #3 or #4 CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, DieHard said: I am not big on Nelson. I think he can stay pretty healthy but would want him as my #3 or #4 CB. Thats why i am glad he is a #1 for the Steelers...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Thats why i am glad he is a #1 for the Steelers...lol Lol. A good sign for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, DieHard said: Lol. A good sign for you guys. You're assuming the Ravens will even try to pass this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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