Mloe68 1,521 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Between 1997-2002 31 NFL players tore their Achilles Between 2011-2015, 44 NFL players tore their Achilles Who wants to bet against that number going up over the next 5 years https://www.ozy.com/the-huddle/the-achilles-heel-of-pro-footballers-literally/76835 https://lermagazine.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 One step closer to Peterson or Ramsey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Mloe68 said: Between 1997-2002 31 NFL players tore their Achilles Between 2011-2015, 44 NFL players tore their Achilles Who wants to bet against that number going up over the next 5 years https://www.ozy.com/the-huddle/the-achilles-heel-of-pro-footballers-literally/76835 https://lermagazine.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture Yep. Bigger faster stronger... ligaments and tendons stay the same though. More stress on the joints, more sudden movements. This will get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, xen said: Yep. Bigger faster stronger... ligaments and tendons stay the same though. More stress on the joints, more sudden movements. This will get worse. Evolution has not caught up. This is an excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, xen said: Yep. Bigger faster stronger... ligaments and tendons stay the same though. More stress on the joints, more sudden movements. This will get worse. Same issue with all the pitchers in baseball and tommy john.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, Calichief said: Same issue with all the pitchers in baseball and tommy john.. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, xen said: Yep Might be. We really don't know, though, because there was no such thing as "Tommy John surgery" until the last decade or less. When that injury happened, the pitcher would just fade from view with a career ending injury that was never diagnosed as an exact injury that can be fixed. It takes an MRI to see that kind of detail. Now, a pitcher always gets an MRI when the elbow chronically hurts. So, this statistic may be an artifact of technology rather than increasing incidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Handswarmer said: Evolution has not caught up. This is an excellent point. I am always amused by this evolution analogy. The only thing that drives evolution is survivability, and even that takes hundreds of thousands of years to select for mutations that make something more survivable, at least in animals that have lifespans like humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said: I am always amused by this evolution analogy. The only thing that drives evolution is survivability, and even that takes hundreds of thousands of years to select for mutations that make something more survivable, at least in animals that have lifespans like humans. Bullshit. I have been married since 1998 and I can tell you my hearing evolved to not listen to a certain frequency until required to. I can watch a game and then listen to my wife now at the same time if I choose to do so. All married men evolve like this after severe beatings from their wives for not listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Bullshit. I have been married since 1998 and I can tell you my hearing evolved to not listen to a certain frequency until required to. I can watch a game and then listen to my wife now at the same time if I choose to do so. All married men evolve like this after severe beatings from their wives for not listening. My God, you are right! Still, it SEEMS like a hundred thousand years. And it IS about survivability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said: My God, you are right! Still, it SEEMS like a hundred thousand years. And it IS about survivability. Some women make a marriage SEEM to be longer....without even trying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, Handswarmer said: Some women make a marriage SEEM to be longer....without even trying.... And some, after divorce, makes life expectancy go way up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Just now, kkuenn said: And some, after divorce, makes life expectancy go way up! Bank accounts too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Fmbl2187 said: Might be. We really don't know, though, because there was no such thing as "Tommy John surgery" until the last decade or less. When that injury happened, the pitcher would just fade from view with a career ending injury that was never diagnosed as an exact injury that can be fixed. It takes an MRI to see that kind of detail. Now, a pitcher always gets an MRI when the elbow chronically hurts. So, this statistic may be an artifact of technology rather than increasing incidence. But what about all the Rubber arms?? dudes throwing back to back games or double headers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 53 minutes ago, Calichief said: But what about all the Rubber arms?? dudes throwing back to back games or double headers? oVER CONDITIONING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said: Might be. We really don't know, though, because there was no such thing as "Tommy John surgery" until the last decade or less. When that injury happened, the pitcher would just fade from view with a career ending injury that was never diagnosed as an exact injury that can be fixed. It takes an MRI to see that kind of detail. Now, a pitcher always gets an MRI when the elbow chronically hurts. So, this statistic may be an artifact of technology rather than increasing incidence. Dude do you just say shit to say it? Or do you not follow baseball. Or the internet? Tony John surgery was named after Tommy John, a pitcher who first had the procedure in the 70's. It was called dead arm before that. They knew the problem just had no fix. It's a repetitive motion injury from wear and tear, and instances have risen as has the average pitch speed, which puts more strain on the ligament. Stick to pathology brah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: oVER CONDITIONING Ya, lifetime of stress on the ligament. Usually starting when they're kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, xen said: Dude do you just say shit to say it? Stick to pathology brah. literally did LOL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldtimer said: literally did LOL.. I mean the procedure has been around for almost 50 years, but whatevs. 50, less than a decade... potato tomahto... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, xen said: I mean the procedure has been around for almost 50 years, but whatevs. 50, less than a decade... potato tomahto... I didn't know the procedure was that old. See? If I had been an orthopedic surgeon, I would have known that. At least I knew Tommy John was the pitcher it was named after. Duh. When he dies, I can tell you why, though. Old age. I do need to keep my trap shut and look stuff up before I post it. Isn't the injury caused by repetitive use of one kind of pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said: I didn't know the procedure was that old. See? If I had been an orthopedic surgeon, I would have known that. At least I knew Tommy John was the pitcher it was named after. Duh. When he dies, I can tell you why, though. Old age. I do need to keep my trap shut and look stuff up before I post it. Isn't the injury caused by repetitive use of one kind of pitch? Man these kids now get after it. They're throwing fireballs. Another problem is guys trying to learn to throw a curveball before their bodies are developed. It's really stressful on the arm. The number of guys who can throw 100+ has been exponentially increasing. Hell the Padres alone have 6 guys that can get 100+ on the major league roster. Nolan Ryan used to rule MLB cause he could touch 100. In 2017 over 80 guys in the MINORS alone threw 100+ in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 14 hours ago, xen said: Man these kids now get after it. They're throwing fireballs. Another problem is guys trying to learn to throw a curveball before their bodies are developed. It's really stressful on the arm. The number of guys who can throw 100+ has been exponentially increasing. Hell the Padres alone have 6 guys that can get 100+ on the major league roster. Nolan Ryan used to rule MLB cause he could touch 100. In 2017 over 80 guys in the MINORS alone threw 100+ in a game. I remember Nolan Ryan reached 104 mph at times. I don't think he used a curve much. Pretty much just a fireballer. I thought it was the curve that was the most stressful as far as the Tommy John injury, but I was not sure. These young guys should work on throwing a bigger curve that doesn't have as much velocity. It seems like they want to throw a curve that also moves very fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 22 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said: I am always amused by this evolution analogy. The only thing that drives evolution is survivability, and even that takes hundreds of thousands of years to select for mutations that make something more survivable, at least in animals that have lifespans like humans. I am always amused that mutation like you can make something simple so complicated. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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