Mloe68 1,521 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 20 hours ago, Handswarmer said: Again, wrong offense for him. Wrong Offensive line for him. Wrong division for him. "The Ravens took Lewis with the fifth pick overall in the draft because he has shown the ability to be an explosive runner inside. Last season, Baltimore lacked a powerful punch up the middle, particularly in the red zone. With Errict Rhett gone to Cleveland during the offseason, the Ravens needed a running back they could depend on to get them four to five yards a carry. Billick is giving Lewis and four-year veteran Priest Holmes an equal amount of repetitions during practice. Holmes, who set the Ravens' all-time single-season rushing record in 1998 with 1,008 yards, remains the starter, but he is more of a finesse runner. Also, Holmes, did not see much playing time last season after spraining his right knee in the first game." Priest was averaging 5.7 YPC the year before they drafted Jamaal. He also set the all time NFL record for TDs in a season so he was ELITE in the red zone. Face it. The Ravens didn't give him a real shot because he didn't have the size and speed that teams at that time think they needed at RB. As for him not fitting in playing against the AFC North. That's ridiculous. He rushed for 150 yards, 7.5 YPC and scored 2 TDs against Pittsburgh in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: Priest was averaging 5.7 YPC the year before they drafted Jamaal. He also set the all time NFL record for TDs in a season so he was ELITE in the red zone. Face it. The Ravens didn't give him a real shot because he didn't have the size and speed that teams at that time think they needed at RB. As for him not fitting in playing against the AFC North. That's ridiculous. He rushed for 150 yards, 7.5 YPC and scored 2 TDs against Pittsburgh in 2001. The best ability is Availibility. He only played 8 games in 99. His 5.7 YPC is the result of 1 play in those 8 games- a rush vs Tenn for 72 yds. Without that run he averages 4.93 YPC for the 8 games he played in. Stop trying to present it like he was 5.7 for 16 games. In the 15 games the previous season he averaged 4.33 YPC. 288 carries vs 89 tells a better story. He got a shot- he was here for three years ( in 1997 he only played ST) and was only available for 70% of the games. Plus, as I pointed out before, in KC he played in the Air Coryell vs a minimized West Coast offense in Baltimore. In 01 he avg 4.76 In 02 he avg 5.16 In 03 he avg 4.44 In 04 he avg 4.55 (8 games) In 05 he avg 3.79 (7 games) Not even going to include the 2.98 YPC in 07... he got his shot here, he got a great Oline, Coordinator and System to flourish in down in KC. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: The best ability is Availibility. He only played 8 games in 99. His 5.7 YPC is the result of 1 play in those 8 games- a rush vs Tenn for 72 yds. Without that run he averages 4.93 YPC for the 8 games he played in. Stop trying to present it like he was 5.7 for 16 games. In the 15 games the previous season he averaged 4.33 YPC. 288 carries vs 89 tells a better story. He got a shot- he was here for three years ( in 1997 he only played ST) and was only available for 70% of the games. Plus, as I pointed out before, in KC he played in the Air Coryell vs a minimized West Coast offense in Baltimore. In 01 he avg 4.76 In 02 he avg 5.16 In 03 he avg 4.44 In 04 he avg 4.55 (8 games) In 05 he avg 3.79 (7 games) Not even going to include the 2.98 YPC in 07... he got his shot here, he got a great Oline, Coordinator and System to flourish in down in KC. End of story. Quantify it however you want. The Ravens let an elite RB get away in the very context of this entire discussion. And again its utter nonsense he couldn’t play in the AFC North. We just had a coach who better understood offense as a head coach and how to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 The Ravens kept an elite RB. Priest Holmes wasn't as good, but was still very good. It was a situation where plenty of teams would have been thrilled to been making that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: The Ravens kept an elite RB. Priest Holmes wasn't as good, but was still very good. It was a situation where plenty of teams would have been thrilled to been making that decision. The point was the Ravens didn't need to draft that RB to begin with had BB just paid attention to what he really had. Instead he simply had to have a big back and used the 6th pick in the draft (think about that) to get a RB he didn't need. Yes they won the Super Bowl. But it was on the heels of a special defense. Most of Billicks moves on offense were contrary to the team success and in fact ultimately cost him his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: Quantify it however you want. The Ravens let an elite RB get away in the very context of this entire discussion. And again its utter nonsense he couldn’t play in the AFC North. We just had a coach who better understood offense as a head coach and how to use it. Move the goalposts to fit you arguments- for "5.7 YPC" to "A better coach" I said the same f*cking thing before 22 hours ago, Handswarmer said: Holmes had 100 yds in 98. In 99 he only played in 9 games while Jamal Lewis was the bell cow of the offense. AFC North football was much different than the Air Coryell AFC West. It was Smash mouth, line your guy up and I'll line mine up see who ends up on their butt football. Holmes wasn't that kind of back. He was a runner, a cutter, a pass receiver....Air Coryell was perfect for him. The 98 season was Run and Shoot- perfect him also. In 99 they went to West Coast but were limited by the QB's, Tony Banks, Stony Case and Scott Mitchell....52% completion was the highest....3300 yds...Holmes wasn't a fit. You want to create this dream that 1- Holmes was an elite player who the Ravens let walk ** an avg at best running back who did not fit our scheme and personnel set 2- Holmes was overlooked by the Ravens and the savvy Chiefs scouting team snatched him up for a song (goosebumps) ** Adding those two new guys to our team, we weren't sure what they were going to bring to the table,” Shields said. “Knowing that Priest (Holmes) was coming in, but he had an injury and then the year before that, having Trent (Green) go through the same issue, we weren't sure what we were getting with those two guys." 3- Holmes was elite for 3 years with the Chiefs ** He was mediocre with the Ravens. Get off the juice dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: The point was the Ravens didn't need to draft that RB to begin with had BB just paid attention to what he really had. Instead he simply had to have a big back and used the 6th pick in the draft (think about that) to get a RB he didn't need. Yes they won the Super Bowl. But it was on the heels of a special defense. Most of Billicks moves on offense were contrary to the team success and in fact ultimately cost him his job. In 99, Billick first year, Holmes only suited up for for 9 games total. He got hurt only to start the last 4 games of the season. Eric Rhett, who he shared time with in 98, had gone to cleveland. Billick wanted someone dependable. Holmes wasn't the guy. GTFOver the fact that you think he was elite and let go. He was avg. Hi entire Ravens career was 4 yrs 2100yds. That 500+ in a season. Jamal Lewis had that vs one team in 06 in 2 games. Stop typing with rose colored glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Move the goalposts to fit you arguments- for "5.7 YPC" to "A better coach" I said the same f*cking thing before You want to create this dream that 1- Holmes was an elite player who the Ravens let walk ** an avg at best running back who did not fit our scheme and personnel set 2- Holmes was overlooked by the Ravens and the savvy Chiefs scouting team snatched him up for a song (goosebumps) ** Adding those two new guys to our team, we weren't sure what they were going to bring to the table,” Shields said. “Knowing that Priest (Holmes) was coming in, but he had an injury and then the year before that, having Trent (Green) go through the same issue, we weren't sure what we were getting with those two guys." 3- Holmes was elite for 3 years with the Chiefs ** He was mediocre with the Ravens. Get off the juice dude Holmes was an average RB. That is truly laughable. The guy had one of the best three year runs in NFL history for goodness sakes when given a true opportunity and with a coach who better understood how to evaluate offensive talent and how to use it. Go back and look at Vermeils comments after signing Priest and he references the YPC. But what the heck did he know. I mean Billick is the same guy who thought it was a good idea to pay Elvis Grbac big money after Dick Vermeil sent him packing. My God you get sensitive about any criticism of the Ravens. Again this entire topic was about players who took off after a chance of locations. It doesn't even matter anymore. But he definitely qualifies no matter what reasoning you want to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Priest was special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 😂 6 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: Holmes was an average RB. That is truly laughable. The guy had one of the best three year runs in NFL history for goodness sakes when given a true opportunity and with a coach who better understood how to evaluate offensive talent and how to use it. Go back and look at Vermeils comments after signing Priest and he references the YPC. But what the heck did he know. I mean Billick is the same guy who thought it was a good idea to pay Elvis Grbac big money after Dick Vermeil sent him packing. My God you get sensitive about any criticism of the Ravens. Again this entire topic was about players who took off after a chance of locations. It doesn't even matter anymore. But he definitely qualifies no matter what reasoning you want to use. would be best to ignore the STROKER. That way he must keep his HANDS to himself. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: Holmes was an average RB. That is truly laughable. The guy had one of the best three year runs in NFL history for goodness sakes when given a true opportunity and with a coach who better understood how to evaluate offensive talent and how to use it. Go back and look at Vermeils comments after signing Priest and he references the YPC. But what the heck did he know. I mean Billick is the same guy who thought it was a good idea to pay Elvis Grbac big money after Dick Vermeil sent him packing. My God you get sensitive about any criticism of the Ravens. Again this entire topic was about players who took off after a chance of locations. It doesn't even matter anymore. But he definitely qualifies no matter what reasoning you want to use. FFS you are insufferable. HOLMES WAS AN AVERAGE RUNNING BACK IN BALTIMORE EVEN THOUGH HE WAS GIVEN A FAIR CHANCE- 4 YEARS IS A FAIR CHANCE. VERMEIL'S LAST GAME AS A BROADCASTER WAS THE BIG 12 GAME- HE THOUGHT RICKIE THE POT HEAD WAS THE BETTER BACK. HE WAS ALL-INTERGALACTIC GOD RUNNING BACK IN KANSAS CITY AND I SWEAR YOU ARE HIS LOVE CHILD BECAUSE YOUR'E SO IN LOVE WITH HIM, HE HAS TO BE YOUR DADDY. Is that better? You think we didn't scratch our heads when we saw his performance in KC? You know how many of my friends said "Where the F**k was that when he was here?" Billick made some dumb moves as the HC, winning the SB wasn't one of them and btw, Priest Holmes was a Free agent. We didn't cut him. Matter of fact, kudos for the Ravens being the team that signed him to the team as an UNDRAFTED free agent out of college. FFS- you talk about my sensitivity- he was very good when he was here! Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, FANATIC said: It would be best to ignore the STROKER. That way he must keep his HANDS to himself. Ah, the little drunk pirate makes a comment of absolutely no value. Must be a day that ends in "Y" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 25 minutes ago, DieHard said: Priest was special. Yep. With the patience he had, instinctiveness to see where the hole would be, ability to burst through a crease and pass catching ability he was just a crazy elite RB. More starts and he would be in the HOF right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,661 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Mloe68 said: Yep. With the patience he had, instinctiveness to see where the hole would be, ability to burst through a crease and pass catching ability he was just a crazy elite RB. More starts and he would be in the HOF right now. Priest is possibly my favorite Chief all time, but Larry Johnson was putting up HOF numbers behind that line also. Arguably better than Priest. It's hard to know how Priest would do behind and average line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, reesebobby said: Priest is possibly my favorite Chief all time, but Larry Johnson was putting up HOF numbers behind that line also. Arguably better than Priest. It's hard to know how Priest would do behind and average line. Priest had an inept offensive scheme in Baltimore that didn't know how to use his skills. The guy was a technician that could excel anywhere with a decent offensive approach and blocking. This is one of the textbook ways you get undervalued players elsewhere in this league. When you have coaching that doesn't know how to use the talent or becomes fixated on one style. Mike Preston writer for the Baltimore Sun...In Baltimore, Lewis is the offense, and the Ravens are Kansas City wannabes. For whatever reason - coaching, talent, the quarterback carousel - though the Ravens want to be more wide-open, they can't. Each year, they repeatedly have to "Dilfer-ize," or scale down, this offense, because they can't get it together. They're just inept. "I'm not surprised at the success Priest has had because he spent too much time at the facility preparing to play," Newsome said. "With that kind of preparation and athleticism, you knew he was going to have success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,661 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Priest made a career out of that stretch play where the entire line pulled and he waited to see what developed. That line may have been the only line in history to have the ability to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mloe68 said: The point was the Ravens didn't need to draft that RB to begin with had BB just paid attention to what he really had. Instead he simply had to have a big back and used the 6th pick in the draft (think about that) to get a RB he didn't need. Yes they won the Super Bowl. But it was on the heels of a special defense. Most of Billicks moves on offense were contrary to the team success and in fact ultimately cost him his job. Eh. It's easy to armchair analyze things. If you got a chance to get better than you should take it. That's what they did with Jamaal Lewis and he had a great run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,661 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: Eh. It's easy to armchair analyze things. If you got a chance to get better than you should take it. That's what they did with Jamaal Lewis and he had a great run. Well if they really wanted to get better, they should have traded the 5th overall pick to the Seahawks for the 19th and 190th picks and took Shaun Alexander and Tom Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: Eh. It's easy to armchair analyze things. If you got a chance to get better than you should take it. That's what they did with Jamaal Lewis and he had a great run. Point is we got an undervalued talent at RB and at the same time basically shipped our dead weight QB out to them to sign for a huge contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 50 minutes ago, reesebobby said: Well if they really wanted to get better, they should have traded the 5th overall pick to the Seahawks for the 19th and 190th picks and took Shaun Alexander and Tom Brady. Why draft Shaun Alexander when you have Priest Holmes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Mloe68 said: Priest had an inept offensive scheme in Baltimore that didn't know how to use his skills. The guy was a technician that could excel anywhere with a decent offensive approach and blocking. This is one of the textbook ways you get undervalued players elsewhere in this league. When you have coaching that doesn't know how to use the talent or becomes fixated on one style. Mike Preston writer for the Baltimore Sun...In Baltimore, Lewis is the offense, and the Ravens are Kansas City wannabes. For whatever reason - coaching, talent, the quarterback carousel - though the Ravens want to be more wide-open, they can't. Each year, they repeatedly have to "Dilfer-ize," or scale down, this offense, because they can't get it together. They're just inept. "I'm not surprised at the success Priest has had because he spent too much time at the facility preparing to play," Newsome said. "With that kind of preparation and athleticism, you knew he was going to have success. Man, he had a great line to block for him in KC. I think the guards were more pulling in that scheme, also, and it was perfect for Priest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 hours ago, FANATIC said: 😂 would be best to ignore the STROKER. That way he must keep his HANDS to himself. 😂 Different strokes for different folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said: Different strokes for different folks. So true LOL...No doubt some folks are MORE HANDS ON than others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 7 hours ago, reesebobby said: Well if they really wanted to get better, they should have traded the 5th overall pick to the Seahawks for the 19th and 190th picks and took Shaun Alexander and Tom Brady. I guess so, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 7:53 PM, FANATIC said: So true LOL...No doubt some folks are MORE HANDS ON than others Why aren't you in school? You know, Middle school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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