Balto 723 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, liquidfriend said: The Cardinals do not want to trade Patrick Peterson. Their asking a price so high that the Chiefs would be nuts to entertain it. They've rejected the Chiefs multiple times in the last year. Without a change of heart that entire thing is dead and it's time to move on. Just curious, do you know for sure about Chiefs asking multiple times? I haven't heard this before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Balto said: Just curious, do you know for sure about Chiefs asking multiple times? I haven't heard this before They tried before the trade deadline in 2018 and again during the offseason. The Cardinals rejected the proposition both times and countered with a request that basically says F Off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Balto said: Ty Hill @cheetah ·4h @jalenramsey let’s go If you listened to the braintrust on here, well than you'd wonder why he's directly talking to a guy that was direly looking to injure him. Adamixoye, Calichief and Handswarmer 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Dianna @diannaESPN There are teams interested in trading with the Jacksonville Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey. This is what I am told has been offered so far: a 1st in 2020 & 5th in 2021 from an NFC Team and a 1st in 2020 & a player from an AFC Team I could see Veach being that AFC team. Maybe one of our Corners+1st was the offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Why would the Chiefs want this guy? Jalen Ramsey's talent not enough to justify headache for Jaguars Michael DiRoccoESPN Staff Writer JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- There’s no doubting Jacksonville Jaguars cornerback Jalen Ramsey’s immense talent. He’s a lock-down defender with a rare combination of size, length and speed. In his first three seasons, he has been to the Pro Bowl twice and was first-team All-Pro once. There’s also no doubting Ramsey can be an immense headache. He has questioned coaching schemes and decisions. As a rookie, he advocated for the entire defensive staff to be fired. He ripped most of the league’s quarterbacks in a magazine article. And, as everyone saw last Sunday, he publicly confronted his head coach during the game on the sideline. At some point, the headache outweighs the talent. It’s no different than any high-maintenance relationship. There’s only so much selfishness and so many demands one side is willing to put up with until there’s no benefit to continuing the relationship. That’s where the Jaguars seem to be with Ramsey. And if that’s the case, it’s time for that relationship to end. Granting Ramsey’s trade request would not be not a good precedent, but it might be the best thing for the organization. Ramsey has his supporters in the locker room -- including running back Leonard Fournette -- and sending him away might not be well received, but the alternative is keeping someone who is unhappy and doesn’t want to be here. That doesn’t work in any relationship. It’s not a matter of choosing coach Doug Marrone over Ramsey, either. Based on Ramsey’s history and his actions last Sunday, would Ramsey really change his behavior if the Jaguars fired Marrone and gave Ramsey the mega-contract he wants (and deserves, based on his production and talent)? It seems unlikely. And, to be honest: Does a team need an elite corner -- and Ramsey might very well be the best in the league today, a generational talent -- to win a Super Bowl? Elite quarterback, yes. Elite pass-rushers, certainly. It obviously helps to have as much talent as possible, but teams have won Super Bowls without elite cornerbacks. As good as Ramsey has been, the Jaguars have won 18 games in his three-plus seasons -- and that includes 10 victories in 2017. The franchise has had many personnel issues in the past few seasons, especially at quarterback and along the offensive line, and Ramsey’s talent and work ethic haven’t been able to help team overcome it. Another thing to note: High-maintenance players generally don’t spend their careers in one spot. Some do: Michael Irvin, for example. But Deion Sanders didn’t. Neither did Terrell Owens, Randy Moss or Darrelle Revis. In fact, Sanders and Revis played for a combined nine teams By all accounts, Ramsey is one of the team’s hardest workers. He studies opposing receivers and has notebooks full of information on each. He is always in great shape and treats his craft seriously. He’s also not a bad guy. He adores his family. None of that is an issue for the Jaguars. In that respect, he’s the perfect player. It’s everything else that’s the problem. Saying defensive coordinator Todd Wash should be fired in 2016. Questioning Wash’s defensive calls in the fourth quarter of the AFC Championship Game against New England. Ripping most of the league’s quarterbacks in a GQ article. Going on a profane tirade toward the media after a fight between Dante Fowler and Yannick Ngakoue was recorded during an open portion of training camp practice That, along with threatening a reporter on Twitter, earned him a week’s suspension in 2018. Screaming at Marrone on Sunday for not challenging a completion to DeAndre Hopkins and having to be separated from his head coach was an over-the-top reaction that should have -- but didn’t -- result in any discipline. It was the last straw and caused Ramsey to have his agent ask for a trade. The Jaguars reportedly would like a first-round pick in return, and that's what the Steelers are sending to the Dolphins for second-year defensive back Minkah Fitzpatrick. There will definitely be interested teams. The Raiders, Eagles, Cowboys and Jets could be potential suitors. Creating drama to get out of town is an approach that worked for Antonio Brown -- twice. He became such a giant headache that Pittsburgh gave him his wish and traded him to Oakland. He caused more problems for the Raiders, who eventually cut him, and now Brown is playing with the Patriots. The Steelers and Raiders are obviously worse on the field without Brown’s talent, but they might be better off in the locker room with him gone. A functional team can’t have someone around who doesn’t want to be there. That’s asking for distraction and division. That might be where the Jaguars stand with Ramsey right now: He has ridiculous talent, but the relationship has become too high maintenance. The only solution might be divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Balto said: Just curious, do you know for sure about Chiefs asking multiple times? I haven't heard this before It was reported by several Chiefs beat writers who indicated each time the asking price was simply too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 610 says Chiefs trying to avoid another Marcus Peters situation "Trying to talk themselves OUT of making this deal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 He'll be a Patriot by the end of the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dksww 484 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: It was reported by several Chiefs beat writers who indicated each time the asking price was simply too high. It sounds like all teams are balking at 2 1st round picks so maybe that will help drive the price down, but puts everyone else back in it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Handswarmer 645 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 If the Chiefs made the 2 1st deal, wouldn't they not have a pick in 4 or 5 straight drafts.? That's a factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Handswarmer said: If the Chiefs made the 2 1st deal, wouldn't they not have a pick in 4 or 5 straight drafts.? That's a factor Not really. We have not had a 1st round pick 3 out of our last 4 years. We seem to be filling in our number 1 needs and wants with our draft picks and still hitting in the draft with what we have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 minute ago, kkuenn said: Not really. We have not had a 1st round pick 3 out of our last 4 years. We seem to be filling in our number 1 needs and wants with our draft picks and still hitting in the draft with what we have left. So it would be 4 straight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: So it would be 4 straight Yes. My reading comp sucks at times. The answer is yes but my post was more to the that's a factor statement you said. I dont believe we have hurt that much missing 3 out of the last 4 and then 2 more years if so. Thing is i dont believe it will take 2 first either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 20 hours ago, Calichief said: They better not miss on the qb Shit. Take a couple QBs with all those picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefThunder 153 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 If we trade our 20 & 21 1st...it'll be 4yrs straight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 There's no way the Jags are getting 2 firsts for Jalen. Deal would already be done if it was even a remote possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, liquidfriend said: There's no way the Jags are getting 2 firsts for Jalen. Deal would already be done if it was even a remote possibility. Yeah that would be a no brainer. They may be asking that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidfriend 1,151 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 39 minutes ago, xen said: Yeah that would be a no brainer. They may be asking that though. I think they might settle for a 1+3 if the buyers all get cold feet. Think you can rent him for the rest of the year and flip him in the offseason to the Titans, since he likes Nashville, and recoup almost all of the cost...if not all, plus some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Time for KC to stand for Character Counts. This guy has none. KC does not do this deal. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Terez says no. He is usually spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, Palangi said: So seems Veach has offered a 1st+player.....who’s the player hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Thoughts....Best reported offers are 1st+player/5th atm Cards get: Ramsey, cb Chiefs get: Peterson, cb Jags get: Chiefs 2020 1st Cards 2020 2nd oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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