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It almost seems like the chess match has already begun between the two elites of the AFC. Anything can happen with injuries over the course of the season or bad turnovers in January, but reality is neither team can plan to get to Miami unless they feel confident they have personel to beat the other. The Mahomes factor just looms so large even in BBs confident mind. 

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article235466312.html

 

“They go into the season, Josh Gordon is coming back, (Julian) Edelman is healthy and they draft a wide receiver,” Cowherd said Tuesday on his show. “There was no reason to get Antonio Brown, who has a reputation that is well-documented. Why do they do it? Because of Patrick Mahomes.”

Cowherd compared Mahomes to Golden State star Steph Curry, whose three-point shooting proficiency has changed the NBA.

“They’re the only team I’ve ever seen at the midfield stripe, it feels like they’re in the red zone,” Cowherd said of the Chiefs. “That’s the red zone for them. Everybody else, it’s 20 and in. For Chicago sometimes it feels like 6 yards and in. For Kansas City, midfield is the red zone.”

Cowherd believes that offensive firepower is why Patriots coach Bill Belichick rolled the dice on Brown. Specifically, Mahomes’ performance in the second half of last year’s AFC Championship Game grabbed Belichick’s attention.

“The last six, seven quarterbacks he has faced, they can’t move the ball (against) New England,” Cowherd said. “They can’t move the ball. (Chargers quarterback) Philip Rivers could not move the ball. (The Rams’) Jared Goff and Sean McVay could not move the ball. (Jets quarterback) Sam Darnold was playing great the last four or five weeks of the season, played New England, could not get first downs. Nobody moves the ball.

“Patrick Mahomes plays them and scores 24 points in the fourth quarter (of the AFC Championship Game). ... Belichick at that point said, ‘OK, this is Steph Curry.‘ We could put the world’s best defense up, Steph Curry hits a 37-footer. ... There are players that just shift the paradigm.”

“Will they change the NFL? That they can be average everywhere else and Andy Reid and Mahomes will out-clever you, out-aggressive you, outplay you and beat you. Because right now what they’re doing without a lot of their key pieces, it’s just insane.”

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19 minutes ago, azchief21 said:

Everybody is trying to define Mahomes. The NFL has never seen anything like him. It's a phenomenon and I'm enjoying every minute of it.

He has the total package: Every entangle from the greats such as Marino's quick release, to Montana's clutchness, Brady's competitiveness, Brees' accuracy, Manning's knowledge, Favre's arm strength, Rodgers escape ability, Russell's touch passes, Ben's Houdininess, Flacco's ...SB MVP? 😅

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29 minutes ago, DefensiveMan said:

He has the total package: Every entangle from the greats such as Marino's quick release, to Montana's clutchness, Brady's competitiveness, Brees' accuracy, Manning's knowledge, Favre's arm strength, Rodgers escape ability, Russell's touch passes, Ben's Houdininess, Flacco's ...SB MVP? 😅

"entangle"....

 

Intangible?

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26 minutes ago, West said:

Frankly, I think this team will win the AFC West and be in contention for Home field again.

But....

 

In prior years, I felt like we had to have it to even "have a slight chance'....

 

Not anymore...

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Agree. Things have to be nearly perfect to get the Alex Smith type very solid QB to the Super Bowl most of the time. Great health, some luck with bounces and most likely homefield. Not with this QB. I feel like we could make a deep run with the 1 or the 6 seed. Obviously getting that 1 or 2 offers a gigantic benefit still though. It's still way early for this even to be brought up with a lot of difficult regular season football left. But I do think its interesting there are media people who think the Patriots are already thinking about a potential matchup with KC. And clearly by our interest in Ramsey the Chiefs about NE. Trade deadline in about 5 weeks looms large. 

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There's a long time before the Chiefs travel to NE and both teams will probably stumble a time or two before then, but it's also possible that the regular season game between them will be the most hyped and anticipated game of the year.   Very possible it will be for home field.  Old master vs. upstart.  BB vs. Reid.  Gonna be fun. 

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9 minutes ago, jetlord said:

There's a long time before the Chiefs travel to NE and both teams will probably stumble a time or two before then, but it's also possible that the regular season game between them will be the most hyped and anticipated game of the year.   Very possible it will be for home field.  Old master vs. upstart.  BB vs. Reid.  Gonna be fun. 

Yeah, for as easy as the Patriots division schedule is, they have a fairly rough patch before the play us.  At Ravens, at Eagles, Cowboys at home and then at Texans.  They sure could drop at least one of those.  And we've got the Texans and Packers to worry about.  Obviously any given Sunday, but aside from an upset there's some tough games coming up. 

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5 minutes ago, reesebobby said:

Yeah, for as easy as the Patriots division schedule is, they have a fairly rough patch before the play us.  At Ravens, at Eagles, Cowboys at home and then at Texans.  They sure could drop at least one of those.  And we've got the Texans and Packers to worry about.  Obviously any given Sunday, but aside from an upset there's some tough games coming up. 

But a 6 game bye every year makes it easy on them....like extra practice or something....

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28 minutes ago, reesebobby said:

Yeah, but they have not swept the division in a long long time strangely. 

Always good for a stinker ever year

NE vs the AFC Least

2018         5-1

2017         5-1

2016         5-1

2015         4-2

2014          5-1

Nice work if you can get it.....

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7 minutes ago, Handswarmer said:

Always good for a stinker ever year

NE vs the AFC Least

2018         5-1

2017         5-1

2016         5-1

2015         4-2

2014          5-1

Nice work if you can get it.....

That’s pretty close to our division record over that time period. 

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6 minutes ago, reesebobby said:

That’s pretty close to our division record over that time period. 

Per this, we were actually 16-2 from 2015-2017, and then we were 5-1 last year.  So we were slightly better by raw record (21-3 vs. 19-5) and it's pretty easy to argue it was against better competition.

  • 2015:  DEN 12-4, OAK 7-9, SD 4-12 vs. NYJ 10-6, BUF 8-8, MIA 6-10
  • 2016:  OAK 12-4, DEN 9-7, SD 5-11 vs. MIA 10-6, BUF 7-9, NYJ 5-11
  • 2017:  LAC 9-7, OAK 6-10, DEN 5-11 vs. BUF 9-7, MIA 6-10, NJY 5-11
  • 2018:  LAC 12-4, DEN 6-10, OAK 4-12 vs. MIA 7-9, BUF 6-10, NYJ 4-12

Total 2015-2018 (not including KC or NE):  AFC West 91-101, AFC East 83-109

Both records are losing records in part because they do not include KC/NE, who won all of those division championships except for Denver in 2015 at 12-4.

8 minutes ago, Handswarmer said:

You called it.

Chiefs vs AFC West

2018    5-1

2017    4-2

2016    6-0

2015    5-1

2014    3-3

Chiefs are 23-7

Pats are 24-6

So, per the above, it matters a lot whether you include 2014 or not (our worst season under Reid, and Peyton had not fallen apart yet).  Since then KC has a slightly better record against, I would argue, significantly better competition.  AFC West without KC:  eight games better overall record, 3 12-win teams, 2 more with winning records.  AFC East without NE:  2 10-win teams and only one more with a winning record and one .500 team).

Also your numbers are wrong for 2017.  We were 5-1, only loss was the early Thursday night game against Oakland.  Link above matches with my numbers.

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18 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

Per this, we were actually 16-2 from 2015-2017, and then we were 5-1 last year.  So we were slightly better by raw record (21-3 vs. 19-5) and it's pretty easy to argue it was against better competition.

  • 2015:  DEN 12-4, OAK 7-9, SD 4-12 vs. NYJ 10-6, BUF 8-8, MIA 6-10
  • 2016:  OAK 12-4, DEN 9-7, SD 5-11 vs. MIA 10-6, BUF 7-9, NYJ 5-11
  • 2017:  LAC 9-7, OAK 6-10, DEN 5-11 vs. BUF 9-7, MIA 6-10, NJY 5-11
  • 2018:  LAC 12-4, DEN 6-10, OAK 4-12 vs. MIA 7-9, BUF 6-10, NYJ 4-12

Total 2015-2018 (not including KC or NE):  AFC West 91-101, AFC East 83-109

Both records are losing records in part because they do not include KC/NE, who won all of those division championships except for Denver in 2015 at 12-4.

So, per the above, it matters a lot whether you include 2014 or not (our worst season under Reid, and Peyton had not fallen apart yet).  Since then KC has a slightly better record against, I would argue, significantly better competition.  AFC West without KC:  eight games better overall record, 3 12-win teams, 2 more with winning records.  AFC East without NE:  2 10-win teams and only one more with a winning record and one .500 team).

Also your numbers are wrong for 2017.  We were 5-1, only loss was the early Thursday night game against Oakland.  Link above matches with my numbers.

If you exclude the record against the Chiefs, the rest of the division is above .500 for that time.  Not so for the AFC East.  And 24 of the AFC east wins (excluding the Patriots) come from playing each other 6 times a year.  Somebody has to win no matter how bad they both are. 

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More fun facts!  Fixing Hands' numbers we're 24-6 against the AFC West from 2014-2018 (25-6 adding the Oakland game this year).

Those six losses?  FOUR Thursday night games plus getting swept by the Broncos way back in 2014.

UNDEFEATED on Sat/Sun/Mon from 2015 to the present.

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Just now, reesebobby said:

If you exclude the record against the Chiefs, the rest of the division is above .500 for that time.  Not so for the AFC East.  And 24 of the AFC east wins (excluding the Patriots) come from playing each other 6 times a year.  Somebody has to win no matter how bad they both are. 

All true, although the math is the same for the AFC West for intradivision games.

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2 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

All true, although the math is the same for the AFC West for intradivision games.

Yes. But it just shows how few wins there are in that division when you remove division play.  The AFC West is 8 games over .500 against non division.  The AFC East 12 under.  That's a big swing in 4 seasons.

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