Pats-Chiefs on colllision course for AFC Title

[Handswarmer 645]

11 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

Per this, we were actually 16-2 from 2015-2017, and then we were 5-1 last year.  So we were slightly better by raw record (21-3 vs. 19-5) and it's pretty easy to argue it was against better competition.

• 2015:  DEN 12-4, OAK 7-9, SD 4-12 vs. NYJ 10-6, BUF 8-8, MIA 6-10
• 2016:  OAK 12-4, DEN 9-7, SD 5-11 vs. MIA 10-6, BUF 7-9, NYJ 5-11
• 2017:  LAC 9-7, OAK 6-10, DEN 5-11 vs. BUF 9-7, MIA 6-10, NJY 5-11
• 2018:  LAC 12-4, DEN 6-10, OAK 4-12 vs. MIA 7-9, BUF 6-10, NYJ 4-12

Total 2015-2018 (not including KC or NE):  AFC West 91-101, AFC East 83-109

Both records are losing records in part because they do not include KC/NE, who won all of those division championships except for Denver in 2015 at 12-4.

So, per the above, it matters a lot whether you include 2014 or not (our worst season under Reid, and Peyton had not fallen apart yet).  Since then KC has a slightly better record against, I would argue, significantly better competition.  AFC West without KC:  eight games better overall record, 3 12-win teams, 2 more with winning records.  AFC East without NE:  2 10-win teams and only one more with a winning record and one .500 team).

Also your numbers are wrong for 2017.  We were 5-1, only loss was the early Thursday night game against Oakland.  Link above matches with my numbers.

I went back 5 years- arbitrary number....good grief...

So adding a win makes you dead even with NE vs your own division. Why does it matter if we include the 2014 Season? Ti have the same record vs division as the Pats did against theirs shows you how good the Chiefs really were/are.

To have the same divisional record of the PATS while playing better competition, says something about the Chiefs.

🙄

[Adamixoye 604]

1 minute ago, Handswarmer said:

I went back 5 years- arbitrary number....good grief...

So adding a win makes you dead even with NE vs your own division. Why does it matter if we include the 2014 Season? Ti have the same record vs division as the Pats did against theirs shows you how good the Chiefs really were/are.

To have the same divisional record of the PATS while playing better competition, says something about the Chiefs.

🙄

I wasn't critical of your choice to go back to 2014; going back to only 2015 was kind of arbitrary on my part but it was mostly because the first link I found on the topic used that time period.  We agree that both are impressive division records and the Chiefs are even more impressive based on the competition level.

I was merely pointing out that if you go even more recent by one year---and if you need a non-arbitrary reason for this, I think starting in 2015 is a better representation of what our team and the rest of the AFC West are like today---then the numbers are even better for us.

[Handswarmer 645]

2 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

I wasn't critical of your choice to go back to 2014; going back to only 2015 was kind of arbitrary on my part but it was mostly because the first link I found on the topic used that time period.  We agree that both are impressive division records and the Chiefs are even more impressive based on the competition level.

I was merely pointing out that if you go even more recent by one year---and if you need a non-arbitrary reason for this, I think starting in 2015 is a better representation of what our team and the rest of the AFC West are like today---then the numbers are even better for us.

 

8 minutes ago, Handswarmer said:

I went back 5 years- arbitrary number....good grief...

So adding a win makes you dead even with NE vs your own division. Why does it matter if we include the 2014 Season? Ti have the same record vs division as the Pats did against theirs shows you how good the Chiefs really were/are.

To have the same divisional record of the PATS while playing better competition, says something about the Chiefs.

🙄

 

[Adamixoye 604]

Great post, would read again.

[Mloe68 1,521]

3 hours ago, reesebobby said:

Yeah, for as easy as the Patriots division schedule is, they have a fairly rough patch before the play us.  At Ravens, at Eagles, Cowboys at home and then at Texans.  They sure could drop at least one of those.  And we've got the Texans and Packers to worry about.  Obviously any given Sunday, but aside from an upset there's some tough games coming up. 

Don't forget about the Vikings. After what will be an emotional matchup with Aaron Rodgers on SNF we have to play what I think is a better overall Vikings team a week later. Plus even though we've had no problems going through our first three opponents defenses like swiss cheese, I think this Fisher injury in particular makes as succeptable for a while still against even fringe playoff contenders with the personel or scheme to exploit it. 

[jetlord 10,207]

The Chiefs really need Fisher, Hill, and Damian back and up to speed by the time the GB game comes around.  Every road game is a potential trap so the Chiefs have to win at home if they want the #1 seed. 

[the Warparty 69]

On 9/26/2019 at 11:54 AM, Handswarmer said:

So now Cowherd's opinion is valid.....

 

Gotcha

Even a broken clock is right twice a day 

[sith13 1,746]

We are the team to beat in the NFL right now. Every team is basically coming out to prove that they have either a great defense that can stop us or an offense that's better than ours. Tough to be in this position but with Mahomes I guess we need to get used to being here. 

[Fmbl2187 2,279]

On 9/25/2019 at 3:07 PM, azchief21 said:

Everybody is trying to define Mahomes. The NFL has never seen anything like him. It's a phenomenon and I'm enjoying every minute of it.

Its such a shame he's ours.  All you have to do is wait a half century, I guess.

[Fmbl2187 2,279]

On 9/26/2019 at 3:15 PM, Mloe68 said:

Don't forget about the Vikings. After what will be an emotional matchup with Aaron Rodgers on SNF we have to play what I think is a better overall Vikings team a week later. Plus even though we've had no problems going through our first three opponents defenses like swiss cheese, I think this Fisher injury in particular makes as succeptable for a while still against even fringe playoff contenders with the personel or scheme to exploit it. 

Yeah, the better team doesn't always win.  Otherwise, this game could just be played on paper. At least once or twice per season, NE drops a game completely unexpectedly.  Same will happen to us, guarenteed (almost :lol:)

[Calichief 3,016]

33 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said:

Yeah, the better team doesn't always win.  Otherwise, this game could just be played on paper. At least once or twice per season, NE drops a game completely unexpectedly.  Same will happen to us, guarenteed (almost :lol:)

Maybe today. Lions will bring it today.

[oldtimer 8,684]

16 minutes ago, Calichief said:

Maybe today. Lions will bring it today.

the fans have never been known for their noise but I read someone challenged them in that regard...lets hope not

[Calichief 3,016]

4 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

the fans have never been known for their noise but I read someone challenged them in that regard...lets hope not

It won’t last long. These so called loud stadiums  other than Seattle wear out .... 

[Fmbl2187 2,279]

36 minutes ago, Calichief said:

Maybe today. Lions will bring it today.

Possible.  But I have a feeling we will lose to some crappy team, not the Lions.

[Calichief 3,016]

5 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said:

Possible.  But I have a feeling we will lose to some crappy team, not the Lions.

Broncos? 

Not many crappy teams on our schedule.

[Adamixoye 604]

Last year including the playoffs we lost three total games to the eventual Super Bowl teams, plus two games to playoff teams. No losses to non-playoff teams. 

Losing games to bad teams is a function of conservative play and/or limited talent. We're certainly capable of losing to a bad team here or there, but I think going forward it will be a lot less common than in the days of Martyball, Matt Cassel, or Alex Smith. 

[mex 65,581]

today both teams pulled out a close win in a tough road environment

a chiefs/pats matchup will be epic

[mex 65,581]

6 hours ago, Calichief said:

Maybe today. Lions will bring it today.

they sure did

[Chiefsfan1963 1,101]

3 hours ago, mex said:

today both teams pulled out a close win in a tough road environment

a chiefs/pats matchup will be epic

I personally believe KC had a tougher match up but I'm biased,.

[CranjisMcbasketball 780]

Buffalo was on their was to winning today until pats cb cheap shotted josh allen with a blatant targeted helmet to helmet spear. The cb should have been ejected, however in todays nfl somehow the patriots get rewarded for things like this every year. 

[FANATIC 852]

3 hours ago, mex said:

today both teams pulled out a close win in a tough road environment

a chiefs/pats matchup will be epic

Way too early for me to look at that. Both teams need their QBs healthy. Thats a week to week story.

[Mloe68 1,521]

We are getting every teams best shot every week. My good friend was at the game and a season ticket holder told him he hadn’t heard it that loud ever.  

Welcome to life as one of the elite. 

[Mloe68 1,521]

Shockingly the only two unbeatens in the AFC

[jetlord 10,207]

9 minutes ago, Mloe68 said:

Shockingly the only two unbeatens in the AFC

Not shocking.  Who was either NE or KC going to lose to?  The tough part of the schedule for both teams comes later. 

[Mloe68 1,521]

12 hours ago, jetlord said:

Not shocking.  Who was either NE or KC going to lose to?  The tough part of the schedule for both teams comes later. 

I was being facetious.  😂