Can we agree, PFF is worthless

[DieHard 2,061]

Patrick Mahomes who is on a record breaking terror through the first 3 weeks is ranked 6th best QB in the league after 3 games.

6th. How can anyone have any faith in these guys? I know I have been down n them, but this clearly leaves no doubt that they are nothing more than a questionable opinion. There is no science to their ranking whatsoever. It’s just a bunch of guys trying to prove to you that you aren’t smart enough to judge players by watching them play.

[KC Warpaint 3,234]

15 minutes ago, DieHard said:

Patrick Mahomes who is on a record breaking terror through the first 3 weeks is ranked 6th best QB in the league after 3 games.

6th. How can anyone have any faith in these guys? I know I have been down n them, but this clearly leaves no doubt that they are nothing more than a questionable opinion. There is no science to their ranking whatsoever. It’s just a bunch of guys trying to prove to you that you aren’t smart enough to judge players by watching them play.

I heard that on the radio yesterday...don't know how they back that crap up

[Iluvhouse24 1,808]

Nearly half the teams in the NFL use the PFF rankings in some way. So no...we cant agree that they are worthless.

[DieHard 2,061]

For the 2018 rankings. Steven Nelson was ranked 3 spots ahead of Jalen Ramsey.

[sith13 1,746]

Numbers don't tell the full truth, they just give an idea. Regarding that PFF is a decent source but there are always exceptions to actually taking it as an absolute ranking. It basically gives information about the "better" or "worse" players as a group without a clear ranking of them in between.

[DieHard 2,061]

16 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said:

Nearly half the teams in the NFL use the PFF rankings in some way. So no...we cant agree that they are worthless.

So you are suggesting that coaches consult PFF to see how their players played? How exactly do they use it?

Does Jacksonville know the Nelson is better than Ramsey? Should we tell them?

[DieHard 2,061]

3 minutes ago, sith13 said:

Numbers don't tell the full truth, they just give an idea. Regarding that PFF is a decent source but there are always exceptions to actually taking it as an absolute ranking. It basically gives information about the "better" or "worse" players as a group without a clear ranking of them in between.

But I think that is my biggest beef. They don’t use numbers. The numbers say Pat is on pace to have the greatest season of all time. And he is 6th. Not 2nd or 3rd, but 6th. It defies logic.

[Mloe68 1,521]

PFF has value but needs to be taken with a grain of salt.  There’s a reason analytics work, but under scrutiny of situation, responsibility and opponent which PFF can’t always measure that correctly.

And a few good/bad games skew overall number WAY too much. 

[CranjisMcbasketball 780]

Ranking pat 6th is so stupid that it should devalue everything they do from now on, its thats simple. Equally as stupid was ranking wentz 3rd who had been atrocious 

[PAChiefsFan79 136]

PFF is valid. BUT I am not surprised that Mahomes takes riskier throws than Tom Brady. It's one of the reasons that make him so good with the raw physical talent. 

 

At the end of the day though, Mahomes positive results greatly outperform anything negative he does.

[liquidfriend 1,151]

21 minutes ago, DieHard said:

For the 2018 rankings. Steven Nelson was ranked 3 spots ahead of Jalen Ramsey.

Ramsey wasn't good in 2018.

I'll agree with the QB ratings being garbage, as they've started using garbage metrics to form the rankings.

[sith13 1,746]

14 minutes ago, DieHard said:

But I think that is my biggest beef. They don’t use numbers. The numbers say Pat is on pace to have the greatest season of all time. And he is 6th. Not 2nd or 3rd, but 6th. It defies logic.

I think QB numbers don't mean much. If the team is already in a position to win then it turns to handing off to the RB. The sample size is too little right now to take them seriously. Brady didn't even play a real game right now so I don't even know if he has shown anything superior to what a guy like Alex Smith might have done in his stead. 

[FANATIC 852]

I could care less. PFF is not important. Its like a quick cheat sheet. Gives you  a glance.

[soonerborn77 276]

1 hour ago, DieHard said:

Patrick Mahomes who is on a record breaking terror through the first 3 weeks is ranked 6th best QB in the league after 3 games.

6th. How can anyone have any faith in these guys? I know I have been down n them, but this clearly leaves no doubt that they are nothing more than a questionable opinion. There is no science to their ranking whatsoever. It’s just a bunch of guys trying to prove to you that you aren’t smart enough to judge players by watching them play.

I mean people were worried he would start regressing this year 😂

[KC Warpaint 3,234]

1 hour ago, sith13 said:

Numbers don't tell the full truth, they just give an idea. Regarding that PFF is a decent source but there are always exceptions to actually taking it as an absolute ranking. It basically gives information about the "better" or "worse" players as a group without a clear ranking of them in between.

A Bad Idea

[Balto 723]

Don’t they always rank running QBs higher than pure passers?  Guessing Lamar Jackson is pretty high on the list

[West 6,713]

I agree with DH...Patrick Mahomes is 6th.....really?

Idiotic.

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[Lamardirts 2,114]

1 hour ago, PAChiefsFan79 said:

PFF is valid. BUT I am not surprised that Mahomes takes riskier throws than Tom Brady. It's one of the reasons that make him so good with the raw physical talent. 

 

At the end of the day though, Mahomes positive results greatly outperform anything negative he does.

You do realize that assumption is completely false.He actually takes fewer risks.  There was some chart about this On Twitter a week ago.  He is making smart and accurate throws.   This sort of ranking puts the burden on them to explain how.  I could see 2nd or 3rd but 6th.....ok

[Calichief 3,016]

It was a buzz on Twitter. They put their reputation out there with that trash..

um, has anyone watched wentz play this year? Trash. 1-2 record , but um, he’s 3rd?

pff has lost me and most of the social media markets after that mess.

 

[Mloe68 1,521]

One thing about QB is that the MVP will throw the ball 50 yards downfield and miss a WR by 2 feet and its a negative play in the same token Mitch Trubisky throws the ball 10 yards downfield and misses by 2 feet. So its not apples to apples. Again PFF can be useful. But its limited like any other evaluation device that doesn't incorporate enough factors or even understand what the player involved in the play had the responsiblity to do. Its more about easy to see wins and losses vs a single player. 

[Okiechief1 425]

2 hours ago, DieHard said:

So you are suggesting that coaches consult PFF to see how their players played? How exactly do they use it?

Does Jacksonville know the Nelson is better than Ramsey? Should we tell them?

I dunno how the teams use the data but they do provide data to every NFL team plus 60 or so college teams.   

[reesebobby 5,662]

14 minutes ago, Mloe68 said:

One thing about QB is that the MVP will throw the ball 50 yards downfield and miss a WR by 2 feet

Patrick Mahomes never misses a WR by 2 feet.  That's crap.

[Calichief 3,016]

Dumbest shit I’ve seen yet.. had me on one last night lighting people up on Twitter. 

[reesebobby 5,662]

Patrick Mahomes threw a grenade and killed 50 people.  Then it exploded. 

[WichitaZRide 321]

I like this and believe we should all embrace this.  That means we should pay him as the 6th best QB, right?