Adamixoye 604 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 hours ago, kkuenn said: Chiefs 2019 defensive DVOA ratings compared to last year 2018: Total rank -26th Pass defense -12th Run defense -32nd Schedule strength -14th Points allowed -24th 2019: Total rank -13th Pass defense -6th Run defense -30th Schedule strength -1st Points allowed -14th Big credit to Veach and Spags. I do believe our personnel is improved somewhat, but I have no confidence that Sutton could have done anything with it. The book on Spags was he had some great years and some awful years. The optimistic view was that his bad years were the result of bigger issues with the team, guys quitting on the head coach basically. The pessimistic view was that he only succeeded with pretty good talent, like that Giants front four. Seems to me like you probably have to lean toward the former at this point. Also, on the run D vs. the pass D, I don't want to cherry-pick what I do and don't believe, but I'm a little skeptical of that 30th run D rank. We feel better than that, especially the last few weeks. But even so, I think ultimately in this league and with our offense I'd rather be strong vs. the pass and questionable vs. the run than vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Adamixoye said: Big credit to Veach and Spags. I do believe our personnel is improved somewhat, but I have no confidence that Sutton could have done anything with it. The book on Spags was he had some great years and some awful years. The optimistic view was that his bad years were the result of bigger issues with the team, guys quitting on the head coach basically. The pessimistic view was that he only succeeded with pretty good talent, like that Giants front four. Seems to me like you probably have to lean toward the former at this point. Also, on the run D vs. the pass D, I don't want to cherry-pick what I do and don't believe, but I'm a little skeptical of that 30th run D rank. We feel better than that, especially the last few weeks. But even so, I think ultimately in this league and with our offense I'd rather be strong vs. the pass and questionable vs. the run than vice versa. 3. Point something per carry today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 May feel like our run D is better, but we've not faced someone like Henry recently and my optimism is not high when we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Biggjliv4 said: May feel like our run D is better, but we've not faced someone like Henry recently and my optimism is not high when we do. Ekeler, Jacobs, and Lindsey may not measure up to Elliot, but they aren't exactly scrub runners. Adamixoye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamixoye 604 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Biggjliv4 said: May feel like our run D is better, but we've not faced someone like Henry recently and my optimism is not high when we do. That's fair up to a point, but in this four game winning streak three of these teams (our division basically) are supposed to be decent to very good in the running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 43 minutes ago, Biggjliv4 said: May feel like our run D is better, but we've not faced someone like Henry recently and my optimism is not high when we do. Are you putting the Titans in the playoffs already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamixoye 604 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 58 minutes ago, Biggjliv4 said: May feel like our run D is better, but we've not faced someone like Henry recently and my optimism is not high when we do. Also, you don't consider 5 weeks ago "recently"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Biggjliv4 said: May feel like our run D is better, but we've not faced someone like Henry recently and my optimism is not high when we do. Chiefs simply gave that game away. Stupid plays the last 90 seconds. Tenn did not win it. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Adamixoye said: Big credit to Veach and Spags. I do believe our personnel is improved somewhat, but I have no confidence that Sutton could have done anything with it. The book on Spags was he had some great years and some awful years. The optimistic view was that his bad years were the result of bigger issues with the team, guys quitting on the head coach basically. The pessimistic view was that he only succeeded with pretty good talent, like that Giants front four. Seems to me like you probably have to lean toward the former at this point. Also, on the run D vs. the pass D, I don't want to cherry-pick what I do and don't believe, but I'm a little skeptical of that 30th run D rank. We feel better than that, especially the last few weeks. But even so, I think ultimately in this league and with our offense I'd rather be strong vs. the pass and questionable vs. the run than vice versa. Saw this and you are right. Encouraging statistics on the Chiefs run defense. Since the defense 'awakened' in Denver, they have allowed 102 rushing yards per game. The Tennessee game is also an extreme outlier - the average drops to 82 without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamixoye 604 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Encouraging statistics on the Chiefs run defense. Since the defense 'awakened' in Denver, they have allowed 102 rushing yards per game. The Tennessee game is also an extreme outlier - the average drops to 82 without it. I imagine that the difference between a raw volume stat like this and our DVOA rank is game situation - we've had leads in literally all our games this year, win or lose, so teams are less inclined to run. Still, other than the Titans game I don't feel like teams are running all over us like many would have you believe. FANATIC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Chiefsfan1963 said: Are you putting the Titans in the playoffs already? Not assuming anything, just saying I will remain skeptical until we face another power running team like them. Don't get me wrong, we are much better than we began, but 5 years of dogshit run D has earned my skepticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Almost 50 years of dog shit QB (there were a couple of good years in there) play surprised your not skeptical about the QB.😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, FANATIC said: Chiefs simply gave that game away. Stupid plays the last 90 seconds. Tenn did not win it. By far. Houston too. Neither team scares me. only Baltimore. They are rolling. Now their defense is balling. if our offense wasn’t struggling a bit, i would say super bowl for sure. Even against Balt. But not with the recent offensive struggles. And I’m saying struggles “compared” to what it is at it’s best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Calichief said: By far. Houston too. Neither team scares me. only Baltimore. They are rolling. Now their defense is balling. if our offense wasn’t struggling a bit, i would say super bowl for sure. Even against Balt. But not with the recent offensive struggles. And I’m saying struggles “compared” to what it is at it’s best. Is the offense really struggling? They looked pretty sharp today in spite of Wylie. Mahomes was much more effective throwing from the pocket today. They could have easily hung 30+ on the Donks which is a decent defense. If healthy, the offense is okay. qnet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, FANATIC said: Chiefs simply gave that game away. Stupid plays the last 90 seconds. Tenn did not win it. Your last sentence is obviously 100% wrong. The first one ain't so hot, either. Chiefs tried. Tennessee came out on top. End of story. FANATIC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, jetlord said: Is the offense really struggling? They looked pretty sharp today in spite of Wylie. Mahomes was much more effective throwing from the pocket today. They could have easily hung 30+ on the Donks which is a decent defense. If healthy, the offense is okay. Again, I said compared to what they were last year, yes. They’ll have to be perfect against Balt. A healthy williams will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnet 1,150 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 hours ago, jetlord said: Is the offense really struggling? They looked pretty sharp today in spite of Wylie. Mahomes was much more effective throwing from the pocket today. They could have easily hung 30+ on the Donks which is a decent defense. If healthy, the offense is okay. 1 hour ago, Calichief said: Again, I said compared to what they were last year, yes. They’ll have to be perfect against Balt. A healthy williams will help. A healthy Williams would help a lot, but I like what I saw from Mahomes tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Holy shit! He went from 260 to 238 dealing with this illness https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/27330/stomach-illness-has-frank-clark-shedding-weight-not-slowing-down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Holy shit! He went from 260 to 238 dealing with this illness https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/27330/stomach-illness-has-frank-clark-shedding-weight-not-slowing-down I sure could use what he has.. it'd get me out of this Christmas BS as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, oldtimer said: I sure could use what he has.. it'd get me out of this Christmas BS as well Maybe he is better , faster, at this lower weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, FANATIC said: Maybe he is better , faster, at this lower weight? 238 is way to light for DE and he had to be physically weaker for it too. No way is this any good. I lost 40 pounds in one month in Iraq 2003 due to the Taji Flu and trust me, I was no where near the physical strength due to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, kkuenn said: 238 is way to light for DE and he had to be physically weaker for it too. No way is this any good. I lost 40 pounds in one month in Iraq 2003 due to the Taji Flu and trust me, I was no where near the physical strength due to it. Thats you. Everyone is different. He looks better lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, FANATIC said: Thats you. You may be correct. Everyone is different. He looks better lighter. Patrick Mahomes weighs 230. You can't play defensive end in the NFL at 238. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, reesebobby said: Patrick Mahomes weighs 230. You can't play defensive end in the NFL at 238. Bulk adds strength ( fat bar bouncers)....he maybe quicker but he certainly is not stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANATIC 852 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, reesebobby said: Patrick Mahomes weighs 230. You can't play defensive end in the NFL at 238. I see your point. You can play well at that weight because he has. Maybe not all season etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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