Raiders vs. Chiefs

[dhitter 1,424]

Wow! Everybody at NFL Total Access has already anointed the Raiders AFC West champs.

[Adamixoye 604]

25 minutes ago, dhitter said:

Wow! Everybody at NFL Total Access has already anointed the Raiders AFC West champs.

If we win in two weeks our magic number would be 2.

[kkuenn 3,597]

31 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

If we win in two weeks our magic number would be 2.

yes with 4 games to go and winning head to head twice. Pretty much they will be playing for their life. I hope we just crush them.

[sith13 1,746]

Basically anything that can go right has been going right for the Raiders and it's the exact opposite for us. I think it's an easy for us but with the way Reid has been behaving lately you never know. 

[Adamixoye 604]

I got it wrong, if Oakland beats the Jets and we're both 7-4 going into the game, then if we win it's a 1 game lead + tiebreaker with four to go.  That's a magic number of three---three total combined wins by us or losses by them.  They have an easy schedule and could win out, we would have LAC and DEN at home, NE and CHI on the road, possibly needing three total wins.

I really don't think they win out, though.  They could lose to the Jets, too.

[Calichief 3,016]

43 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

I got it wrong, if Oakland beats the Jets and we're both 7-4 going into the game, then if we win it's a 1 game lead + tiebreaker with four to go.  That's a magic number of three---three total combined wins by us or losses by them.  They have an easy schedule and could win out, we would have LAC and DEN at home, NE and CHI on the road, possibly needing three total wins.

I really don't think they win out, though.  They could lose to the Jets, too.

If kc performs like last night, we’ll be lucky to win 2 more.

[Adamixoye 604]

3 minutes ago, Calichief said:

If kc performs like last night, we’ll be lucky to win 2 more.

You mean the game we won by 7 despite our all-world QB looking off, a bad field, and some obviously wrong calls that could have screwed us?

[Calichief 3,016]

54 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

You mean the game we won by 7 despite our all-world QB looking off, a bad field, and some obviously wrong calls that could have screwed us?

Yes. The same field that the other team played on. And the qb gave it up 4, should have been 5 times. A win is a win. But I think we all can agree that celebrating week 11 wins isn’t a thing anymore. The goal is the super bowl.

 

[Mloe68 1,521]

2 hours ago, Adamixoye said:

I got it wrong, if Oakland beats the Jets and we're both 7-4 going into the game, then if we win it's a 1 game lead + tiebreaker with four to go.  That's a magic number of three---three total combined wins by us or losses by them.  They have an easy schedule and could win out, we would have LAC and DEN at home, NE and CHI on the road, possibly needing three total wins.

I really don't think they win out, though.  They could lose to the Jets, too.

If we can actually win our last three home games, we win the West. I think it’s that simple at this point.  But easier said than done. 

[Adamixoye 604]

57 minutes ago, Calichief said:

Yes. The same field that the other team played on. And the qb gave it up 4, should have been 5 times. A win is a win. But I think we all can agree that celebrating week 11 wins isn’t a thing anymore. The goal is the super bowl.

 

There is a pretty good argument that the field hurts our style, particularly the offense, more than it hurts other teams.  (Although you can argue it cost LA a FG.)  This was certainly the worst offensive game we've had that was led by an arguably fully healthy Mahomes, take from that what you will.  Having said that, I won't be worried about the offense until this happens for another 1-2 weeks minimum.

Rivers chucking it around the field but then giving the ball up is to be expected.  It's basically how you beat him.  I thought our defense did its job for the most part.  Keep it in front, tighten up in the red zone, get those takeaways.  How much differently do we feel if just two plays go differently---Honey Badger pulls in that INT, and they don't get the bomb to Williams on the last drive?  I'm not perfectly happy with the defense by any stretch, but I think all things considered the night was a net positive to me.

Special teams were also pretty good, worst thing is I could nitpick 1-2 Colquitt kicks.

Overall the point is we did what we needed to do against a team that a lot of people feel is pretty talented and good despite their record, all in what was technically a road division game in a bad environment.  On to the bye.

No one is saying this is the Superbowl, but we can be happy with a win.  You must be fun at parties.

[Mloe68 1,521]

1 hour ago, Calichief said:

Yes. The same field that the other team played on. And the qb gave it up 4, should have been 5 times. A win is a win. But I think we all can agree that celebrating week 11 wins isn’t a thing anymore. The goal is the super bowl.

 

If we can’t celebrate wins unless it’s the Super Bowl then I don’t see much point in being a fan. Enjoy the journey. WINS matter!

[Calichief 3,016]

1 minute ago, Mloe68 said:

If we can’t celebrate wins unless it’s the Super Bowl then I don’t see much point in being a fan. Enjoy the journey. WINS matter!

It’s a different. I’m not saying it meaningless. There’s a bigger goal.

[Calichief 3,016]

14 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

There is a pretty good argument that the field hurts our style, particularly the offense, more than it hurts other teams.  (Although you can argue it cost LA a FG.)  This was certainly the worst offensive game we've had that was led by an arguably fully healthy Mahomes, take from that what you will.  Having said that, I won't be worried about the offense until this happens for another 1-2 weeks minimum.

Rivers chucking it around the field but then giving the ball up is to be expected.  It's basically how you beat him.  I thought our defense did its job for the most part.  Keep it in front, tighten up in the red zone, get those takeaways.  How much differently do we feel if just two plays go differently---Honey Badger pulls in that INT, and they don't get the bomb to Williams on the last drive?  I'm not perfectly happy with the defense by any stretch, but I think all things considered the night was a net positive to me.

Special teams were also pretty good, worst thing is I could nitpick 1-2 Colquitt kicks.

Overall the point is we did what we needed to do against a team that a lot of people feel is pretty talented and good despite their record, all in what was technically a road division game in a bad environment.  On to the bye.

No one is saying this is the Superbowl, but we can be happy with a win.  You must be fun at parties.

Don’t misinterpret what I said. A win is a win. But if you are looking at the goal that we started the season with, it’s further away. 
I get your point about the field and our style of play. It’s definitely valid.

and, I loved the balance of the offense.

i loved the defensive effort.

so, There ya go

[Mloe68 1,521]

5 minutes ago, Calichief said:

It’s a different. I’m not saying it meaningless. There’s a bigger goal.

I get that. But you can’t achieve any goals without regular season wins. Every one gets us closer to the ultimate goal. 

[dhitter 1,424]

Yes brothers....enjoy the win! Feels so much better than after the Titans gut punch.

Chiefs do need to work on some things. The run game by our backs seems so lacking. When Mahomes is the leading rusher you got a problem. Who the heck is our #1 back? Defense still horrible covering backs out of the backfield. Fortunately the Chargers backs dropped a few.  

[WichitaZRide 321]

2 hours ago, Adamixoye said:

You mean the game we won by 7 despite our all-world QB looking off, a bad field, and some obviously wrong calls that could have screwed us?

Are you really trying to say that if we bring the exact same performance we did against the Chargers that we beat the Raiders?  I have no words...

[sith13 1,746]

2 minutes ago, WichitaZRide said:

Are you really trying to say that if we bring the exact same performance we did against the Chargers that we beat the Raiders?  I have no words...

No way. This was simply a bad team vs a very bad team/QB. Luck was definitely on our side.

[Adamixoye 604]

6 minutes ago, WichitaZRide said:

Are you really trying to say that if we bring the exact same performance we did against the Chargers that we beat the Raiders?  I have no words...

I'm saying we didn't play as poorly as everyone is making it out to be, and that I think we're very likely to play better going forward.  Also, the Raiders are entirely capable of beating themselves in the same way that the Chargers did.

[kkuenn 3,597]

5 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

I'm saying we didn't play as poorly as everyone is making it out to be, and that I think we're very likely to play better going forward.  Also, the Raiders are entirely capable of beating themselves in the same way that the Chargers did.

We had one great quarter offensively against the Raiders the first time we played them. Hopefully we can see a complete game from both sides of the ball this time and come out healthy.

[Adamixoye 604]

2 minutes ago, kkuenn said:

We had one great quarter offensively against the Raiders the first time we played them. Hopefully we can see a complete game from both sides of the ball this time and come out healthy.

But we also had three great defensive quarters in that game.  We also would have scored again if not for them ruling an incomplete pass as a fumble, and I think in general we were content to sit on the lead.

[Iluvhouse24 1,808]

23 minutes ago, sith13 said:

No way. This was simply a bad team vs a very bad team/QB. Luck was definitely on our side.

The Chiefs are a bad team?

[sith13 1,746]

3 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said:

The Chiefs are a bad team?

Yep, this was a bad team. I hope it doesn't stick.

[Adamixoye 604]

3 minutes ago, Iluvhouse24 said:

The Chiefs are a bad team?

No 7-4 team with an elite QB and our injuries this year is bad.

[kkuenn 3,597]

12 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

But we also had three great defensive quarters in that game.  We also would have scored again if not for them ruling an incomplete pass as a fumble, and I think in general we were content to sit on the lead.

Again reid sitting on a lead. I would like to see a complete game in all phases.

[Adamixoye 604]

1 minute ago, kkuenn said:

Again reid sitting on a lead. I would like to see a complete game in all phases.

I think there's a difference between sitting on an 18 point lead like in that game when our defense actually had something vs. sitting on the 7 point lead this week or the 9 point lead last week.