Patriots Vs. Chiefs

[Adamixoye 604]

6 minutes ago, Mloe68 said:

Again when people complain about play calling they rarely know what they are talking about because they don’t have the full picture. 

 

 

 

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Reid said Mahomes was having difficulty gripping the ball, so they favored more of the shallow cross game and the run game in the second half.

It's a good excuse and might be partly true.  But Mahomes injured the hand on the 2nd drive in the 1st quarter, and they scored 17 in the second quarter.  So I'm not sure I totally buy it.  At the very least maybe there was a way to get a little more creative.

Also, this feels like the sort of injury that won't go away in just a week or two.  Hope I'm wrong.

[azchief21 5,278]

[Calichief 3,016]

On 12/8/2019 at 12:07 AM, Gil said:

No way NE scores 3 TDs on offense.

If we don't give up 6 to their D or ST, we win because we're putting up 28+ on offense.

Prediction 34-18 KC

Great call sir.

[Mloe68 1,521]

2 hours ago, Adamixoye said:

It's a good excuse and might be partly true.  But Mahomes injured the hand on the 2nd drive in the 1st quarter, and they scored 17 in the second quarter.  So I'm not sure I totally buy it.  At the very least maybe there was a way to get a little more creative.

Also, this feels like the sort of injury that won't go away in just a week or two.  Hope I'm wrong.

Andy Reid could care less what fans think and has no reason to make that up. The injury was clearly making it hard for Mahomes to grip the ball and those underneath throws are just much easier to execute without a big risk of an errant pass downfield. Plus we had several plays with wide open guys down the field where Mahomes chose not to throw the ball. So it's not like we quit running those patterns. Also injuries like this often get worse with more time as you start to get some swelling. I just making the point that it's easy to nitpick play calling, but rarely do people know what they are talking about because they don't know what the coaches know. 

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#Chiefs 2019 Week 14 Highest-Graded Defensive Player: LB Damien Wilson - 91.2 • 90.6 Run Defense, 76.0 Coverage, 79.7 Tackling • 0 Yards Allowed in 16 Coverage snaps • 2 Stops, 0 Missed Tackles

[Mloe68 1,521]

8 minutes ago, FANATIC said:

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#Chiefs 2019 Week 14 Highest-Graded Defensive Player: LB Damien Wilson - 91.2 • 90.6 Run Defense, 76.0 Coverage, 79.7 Tackling • 0 Yards Allowed in 16 Coverage snaps • 2 Stops, 0 Missed Tackles

Was the the LB that lit up the RB in the flat yesterday? Whoever that was reminded me of DJ in his prime. 

[azchief21 5,278]

Breeland. I have to admit I was yelling at the screen with some of his play but that last play was a thing of beauty. Although the refs had another terrible game, that was definitely a great no call. 

[Mloe68 1,521]

1 hour ago, azchief21 said:

Breeland. I have to admit I was yelling at the screen with some of his play but that last play was a thing of beauty. Although the refs had another terrible game, that was definitely a great no call. 

Clark crushed the LT and forced Brady to lob the ball in there after the Honey Badger recognized they were going to run a pick play and move over the top. It was really and truly one of the most clutch team defensive plays we've seen here in a LONG time. This defense still has warts that will be exposed at times. But they are playing with heart, playing physical and really seem to be grasping the new system. 

[kkuenn 3,598]

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Five winners and three losers from the Chiefs’ win over the Patriots

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The ups and downs of this thrilling game resulted in five winners and three losers for the Chiefs

By Ron Kopp Jr.@Ron_Kopp  Dec 8, 2019, 8:46pm CST

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A dominating first half turned into battle for survival in the second — but the Kansas City Chiefs prevailed to take down the New England Patriots23-16.

Here are five winners and three losers from the game:

Winners

 

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• Defensive Coordinator Steve Spagnuolo came in with an effective game plan to stifle the Patriots offense. His blitz strategy was consistently successful at forcing Patriots quarterback Tom Brady into uncomfortable throws. Spagnuolo brought the pressure in a variety of situations. In the first half, pressures from safety Daniel Sorensen, linebacker Reggie Ragland and others caused Brady to go 0/5 when under duress. New England converted only two of their eight third-down conversion attempts. Brady finished with only 169 passing yards — with just 4.7 yards per attempt. He threw an interception and was sacked three times — which resulted in a low 63.3 passer rating.
• Tight end Travis Kelce had one play that soiled what was otherwise a good performance. Kelce had multiple chunk plays in the first half; he had 45 yards by halftime. He also punched in a 4-yard rushing touchdown after taking a direct snap as the quarterback in a heavy shotgun formation. But Kelce’s day got interesting late in the third quarter, when he appeared to gain a first down before fumbling the ball away. That mistake led to the Patriots’ last field goal. The tight end finished as the leading Chiefs receiver with nine targets, seven catches and 66 yards.
• Cornerback Bashaud Breeland did not start the game very well. He had two early penalties — and was also the main victim of the Patriots’ big flea-flicker touchdown that concluded their initial drive. But in the second quarter, he was gifted with a big play when Brady threw a pass right to him; that play set up the Chiefs’ second touchdown. He also laid the wood on a big hit that gave the Chiefs defense momentum leading into halftime. His biggest play, however, came on fourth down with just a minute remaining. Breeland sealed the deal when he tipped away a pass intended for receiver Julian Edelman in the end zone. It was a great play — keeping his body away from Edelman’s and still cleanly defending the pass.
• Wide receiver Mecole Hardmanmade a momentum-building play in the first half when he caught a 48-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Patrick Mahomes. With a defender in the area, he showed good concentration and displayed his expected explosiveness to finish off the play. Hardman also had a couple of good kick returns past the 25-yard line.
• The defensive line stood their ground and controlled the line of scrimmage throughout the game; Patriots running backs averaged just 3.5 yards per carry. Frank Clarkhad a sack and two tackles for loss while Alex Okafor and Chris Joneseach had a sack. Derrick Nnadimade multiple run stops including a tackle for loss. As a whole, the defensive line accounted for four hits on Brady and all three of the sacks.

Losers

 

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• Chiefs running backs didn’t do anything impressive on the ground. LeSean McCoy had a good 13-yard run — but the unit as a whole only had 54 yards on 19 carries — just 2.9 yards per attempt. Darwin Thompson and Spencer Warecombined for 18 yards on nine carries. The sole Chiefs rushing touchdown came from Kelce. McCoy does not look as dynamic as he did in the earlier parts of the season — but his run blocking is not doing him any favors.
• Offensive tackles Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz were not on their A-game against the Patriots. New England pass rushers Chase Winovich and Deatrich Wise found success around the edge and combined for three hits on Mahomes — and a 12-yard sack by Wise. Schwartz was also a victim of a pancake hit by Patriots linebacker Jamie Collins that sent him to the ground and contributed towards a negative run. Fisher earned a false start penalty on a third-down play in the fourth quarter. The whole offensive line failed to execute consistently — as evidenced by the team’s 2.6 yards per carry and the five quarterback hits surrendered.
• Chiefs head coach and offensive play caller Andy Reid continues to be unable to figure out why his unit stalls on the opponent’s side of the field; it was a significant problem during this game. The offense had four drives that at least got to the Patriots 30-yard line. They were only able to score a touchdown on one of them, settling for field goals on the others. In this way, it was similar to the 2018 game in Foxborough. The other issue with the play-calling in this game seems to be a problem in most Chiefs games; the plays in the second half were conservative — which is reflected in the Chiefs scoring only three points after halftime. It didn’t come back to bite them today — but when these games become win-or-go-home, Reid needs to keep his foot on the gas.

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2 hours ago, FANATIC said:

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#Chiefs 2019 Week 14 Highest-Graded Defensive Player: LB Damien Wilson - 91.2 • 90.6 Run Defense, 76.0 Coverage, 79.7 Tackling • 0 Yards Allowed in 16 Coverage snaps • 2 Stops, 0 Missed Tackles

Great game by him. Kpass killed it also. And Clark being sick still played quite a bit.  Honey Badger killed it.

[jetlord 10,209]

24 minutes ago, DieHard said:

Great game by him. Kpass killed it also. And Clark being sick still played quite a bit.  Honey Badger killed it.

Is Kpass playing better than Okafor?  He's made some meaningful plays in the last half of the season. 

[Gil 243]

Chiefs fans: run the fucking ball

Also Chiefs fans: keep your fucking foot on the gas

me: shut the fuck up and enjoy the win 

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Blocked punt was on a fake punt attempt says Andy Reid. What?

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3 hours ago, FANATIC said:

Blocked punt was on a fake punt attempt says Andy Reid. What?

I don't believe that one. 

[Adamixoye 604]

3 hours ago, FANATIC said:

Blocked punt was on a fake punt attempt says Andy Reid. What?

So...they still snapped to Colquitt and he still tried to kick it?  I feel like Reid has some bridges to sell.

[DieHard 2,061]

18 hours ago, jetlord said:

Is Kpass playing better than Okafor?  He's made some meaningful plays in the last half of the season. 

Yes. Kpass has been solid all year. Okafor was struggling to even get on the field before Ogbah got hurt. Now both Okafor and Kpass seem to be playing well. Kpass is still better IMO.

[sith13 1,746]

Kpass might be up for a starting role rather soon. Basically playing as his college tape has shown in 4-3.

[FANATIC 852]

Mahomes was not close 100% in this game.

Patrick Mahomes (hand) took snaps under at Wednesday's practice.

Per NFL Network's James Palmer, Mahomes' hand was "really swollen" on Monday and Tuesday but improved enough for him to get in what the Chiefs deemed as a full practice on Wednesday. Coach Andy Reid told Palmer Wednesday was the first time Mahomes was really able to grip the ball and drive it downfield since suffering his injury Sunday at New England. The reigning MVP may not be at his best when the Chiefs host Denver in Week 15, but Mahomes at 70 or 80 percent is still better than most.

 

[Adamixoye 604]

1 minute ago, FANATIC said:

Mahomes was not close 100% in this game.

Patrick Mahomes (hand) took snaps under at Wednesday's practice.

Per NFL Network's James Palmer, Mahomes' hand was "really swollen" on Monday and Tuesday but improved enough for him to get in what the Chiefs deemed as a full practice on Wednesday. Coach Andy Reid told Palmer Wednesday was the first time Mahomes was really able to grip the ball and drive it downfield since suffering his injury Sunday at New England. The reigning MVP may not be at his best when the Chiefs host Denver in Week 15, but Mahomes at 70 or 80 percent is still better than most.

 

He was completely healthy last year but obviously this year has been a mess.  I'm wondering how much is the line and how much is Mahomes' body type, that is, what should we expect going forward?

[FANATIC 852]

1 minute ago, Adamixoye said:

He was completely healthy last year but obviously this year has been a mess.  I'm wondering how much is the line and how much is Mahomes' body type, that is, what should we expect going forward?

He fell awkward on the hand. Seems just freakish plays. Lucky he is still up and playing.

[Adamixoye 604]

Just now, FANATIC said:

He fell awkward on the hand. Seems just freakish plays. Lucky he is still up and playing.

Individually I can write each of them (hand, kneecap, ankle + subsequent aggravations) off as freak injuries.  Collectively it gets a little concerning.  At a minimum he is taking too many hits.