Balto 723 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 At what point does Mahomes take over as the greatest Chiefs QB ever? Another Super Bowl? Just more years and it will happen naturally? Two different times so cant compare? Mahomes is already the best KC QB ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Already better than len, there isn’t another qb in their prime i would swap for mahomes. That includes a 30 year old brady, p. Manning, rodgers, elway, montana, you name the qb i want mahomes for the next 10-15 years. i am dead serious about this. PAChiefsFan79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Balto said: At what point does Mahomes take over as the greatest Chiefs QB ever? Another Super Bowl? Just more years and it will happen naturally? Two different times so cant compare? Mahomes is already the best KC QB ever? It won't take long for me to have Pat overtake him. Len is a franchise icon no doubt, but he had a lot of success with some marginal quarterback play, one of the best defenses ever, and diminished competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I'll take Mahomes and Andy as the best QB/HC duo in franchise history. This league is much harder to win and its much harder to sustain a competitive team than in Lenny and Hanks era. West and jetlord 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfscall 204 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 different eras and 2 completely different playing styles. I don't think there is any way you can make a true comparison. Most of the younger guys here may or may not know that Dawson used to go to practice and then head to the Channel 9 news studio to report the sports news every night. Back in those days, players had to have a second job because they didn't get multi million dollar contracts. oldtimer and mex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burt 9 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Mahomes has Lenny on every aspect. Better weapons, better athleticism, better field vision...etc. Len Dawson will forever be a KC icon. But Mahomes is better. A true generational talent. My favorite thing to watch, currently, is how the talking heads all have to eat their words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Wolfscall said: 2 different eras and 2 completely different playing styles. I don't think there is any way you can make a true comparison. Most of the younger guys here may or may not know that Dawson used to go to practice and then head to the Channel 9 news studio to report the sports news every night. Back in those days, players had to have a second job because they didn't get multi million dollar contracts. Certainly true however Lenny didn't even win a game in the AFL until he was 26. Is there any reasonable measure where Lenny could even compete with Mahomes? League MVP at 23, Super Bowl MVP at 24. I think that makes arguing against him tough. Either way they both hoisted trophies and that's all that matters. Wolfscall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Apple and Oranges.. but I am sure you can come up with a trade for Lenny Joe_Chief and xen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okiechief1 425 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Wolfscall said: 2 different eras and 2 completely different playing styles. I don't think there is any way you can make a true comparison. Most of the younger guys here may or may not know that Dawson used to go to practice and then head to the Channel 9 news studio to report the sports news every night. Back in those days, players had to have a second job because they didn't get multi million dollar contracts. Even though I wasn’t old enough to remember that era it’s really difficult to compare the eras. I’ve read about it that guys had to have had second jobs just to make ends meet. You also have to consider the training methods sports nutrition medicine and science have changed so dramatically that they are tools used today to help players out that weren’t available back then. just impossible to compare. Wolfscall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, Okiechief1 said: Even though I wasn’t old enough to remember that era it’s really difficult to compare the eras. I’ve read about it that guys had to have had second jobs just to make ends meet. You also have to consider the training methods sports nutrition medicine and science have changed so dramatically that they are tools used today to help players out that weren’t available back then. just impossible to compare. That was also an era however where the best athletes still played baseball. I think the overall talent pool has really grown as has the overall competition level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnet 1,150 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I agree, it's really not a fair comparison. I think the only close to fair way for Mahomes to surpass Lenny is to stay healthy, and keep playing until he surpasses him as the Chiefs all time passing leader. That will take a few years, but not that long the way the rules are now. Even then it still wouldn't be a totally equal comparison. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefsfan1963 1,101 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Okiechief1 said: Even though I wasn’t old enough to remember that era it’s really difficult to compare the eras. I’ve read about it that guys had to have had second jobs just to make ends meet. You also have to consider the training methods sports nutrition medicine and science have changed so dramatically that they are tools used today to help players out that weren’t available back then. just impossible to compare. Receivers were mugged, eye gouging in pile ups, fumbles happened long after players were "down". Defense wasn't offsides until the ball was snapped, none of this in the neutral zone shit. People would consider Ditka (427 rec, 5812 yards and 43 TDs) and Arbanas (198 rec, 3101 yards and 34 TDs) scrubs today. Completely different era and NO players outside of their own era should ever be compared to today's players. oldtimer and wilkie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chiefsfan1963 said: Receivers were mugged, eye gouging in pile ups, fumbles happened long after players were "down". Defense wasn't offsides until the ball was snapped, none of this in the neutral zone shit. People would consider Ditka (427 rec, 5812 yards and 43 TDs) and Arbanas (198 rec, 3101 yards and 34 TDs) scrubs today. Completely different era and NO players outside of their own era should ever be compared to today's players. You compare players by how dominant they were within their own eras. And that's where Mahomes has Lenny trumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 52 minutes ago, Mloe68 said: You compare players by how dominant they were within their own eras. And that's where Mahomes has Lenny trumped. name the QB's that were better than Lenny in the day..Namath? 1 SB ..Bart Star maybe. Johnny U? he was the Goat before Brady. Lenny was acknowledged as an Elit QB for years ..MVPAT only 2 ..let let him age a little bit before starting to name your illegitimate grandbabies after him. Balto's next Thread will be who's cooler Godzilla or MegaGodzilla.. WFCs??? West, Wolfscall and jetlord 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Not comparable imo. Hell Lenny smoked cigarettes during games for fucks sake and had a side job. But yes Mahomes may be the best that ever played by the time he's done. Not just for the Chiefs either. West 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, oldtimer said: name the QB's that were better than Lenny in the day..Namath? 1 SB ..Bart Star maybe. Johnny U? he was the Goat before Brady. Lenny was acknowledged as an Elit QB for years ..MVPAT only 2 ..let let him age a little bit before starting to name your illegitimate grandbabies after him. Balto's next Thread will be who's cooler Godzilla or MegaGodzilla.. WFCs??? Mechagodzilla. There was no MegaGodzilla. And Mechagodzilla was cooler. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, xen said: Mechagodzilla. There was no MegaGodzilla. And Mechagodzilla was cooler. lol.. I musta had my hearing aids turned down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burt 9 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 40 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Lenny was acknowledged as an Elit QB for years ..MVPAT only 2 ..let let him age a little bit before starting to name your illegitimate grandbabies after him. too late..... oldtimer and xen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 54 minutes ago, xen said: Not comparable imo. Hell Lenny smoked cigarettes during games for fucks sake and had a side job. But yes Mahomes may be the best that ever played by the time he's done. Not just for the Chiefs either. Beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamixoye 604 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Does "best" refer to talent or accomplishment? Most people end up splitting the difference somehow when they argue about this. Pat is clearly more talented, as players of this era are. But Pat is also better relative to his era. Was Lenny considered the absolute best in the NFL by a decent margin over a period of two years? His career was before my time but I don't think this was the case. Accomplishment-wise Pat has a bit to go, but he's already mostly there with the Super Bowl MVP and regular season MVP. His peak is already higher than Dawson's. Just needs to add some longevity. So, Pat is already the best in one sense. In the other sense he's not yet, but I don't think he has that far to go. Just another couple of years at his current level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,780 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Mahomes has had the best two years of any KC QB ever. I think we can leave it at that for now. Get to another Super Bowl, let alone win it, I think you can make him best ever Chiefs QB hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, oldtimer said: name the QB's that were better than Lenny in the day..Namath? 1 SB ..Bart Star maybe. Johnny U? he was the Goat before Brady. Lenny was acknowledged as an Elit QB for years ..MVPAT only 2 ..let let him age a little bit before starting to name your illegitimate grandbabies after him. Balto's next Thread will be who's cooler Godzilla or MegaGodzilla.. WFCs??? I’m simply saying Lenny was never as good relative to his competition as Mahomes has been in his two seasons to his. He never won league MVP in a much smaller league. 2 years as a starter and he’s already won as many playoff games as Lenny did in 14. Mahomes is simply far more physically skilled and is playing at a higher level than Lenny ever did. You certainly can’t get to the Hall of Fame in 2 years. But we are watching historical stuff here. I’m just compelled to acknowledge and enjoy it. What better fun debate to have than to weigh in on which of our Super Bowl champion QB is better. It’s a brave new world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, oldtimer said: name the QB's that were better than Lenny in the day..Namath? 1 SB ..Bart Star maybe. Johnny U? he was the Goat before Brady. Lenny was acknowledged as an Elit QB for years ..MVPAT only 2 ..let let him age a little bit before starting to name your illegitimate grandbabies after him. Balto's next Thread will be who's cooler Godzilla or MegaGodzilla.. WFCs??? Bart Starr. Roger staubach. Johnny Unitas. Tarkenton. Bradshaw. Jergenson. Griese. Namath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mloe68 1,521 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Thegoatee said: Mahomes has had the best two years of any KC QB ever. I think we can leave it at that for now. Get to another Super Bowl, let alone win it, I think you can make him best ever Chiefs QB hands down. Hasn’t this been the best first 36 games of any QB ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnet 1,150 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, reesebobby said: Bart Starr. Roger staubach. Johnny Unitas. Tarkenton. Bradshaw. Jergenson. Griese. Namath. I'm just going by memory, but I'd probably leave Staubach, Bradshaw, and Tarkenton off that list. Their times seemed a little later than Lenny's. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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