xen 1,010,220 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 let's see if we can have a reasonable discussion on this. The Chiefs have a plan for The Chop, and it’s ... subtle. Here’s what’s in store Thursday BY SAM MELLINGER SEPTEMBER 09, 2020 04:15 PM , UPDATED SEPTEMBER 09, 2020 04:23 PM After months of conversation and much internal debate, the Kansas City Chiefs’ strategy with Native American imagery will be subtle. Some fans probably won’t notice it. But here’s what will happen at Arrowhead Stadium Thursday, before the Chiefs and Houston Texans kick off in what will be the country’s most watched game since the Super Bowl: Native Americans will bless the big ceremonial drum like always, and before the drumbeat starts an announcement will be made that incorporating the drum into the game-day experience is a “privilege” and that fans are invited to join as they beat the drum. The cheerleaders will then do the same chop motion, but with a closed fist instead of open palm. You know, signaling the beating of the drum. “Admittedly it’s a subtle change,” Chiefs president Mark Donovan said. “But it’s a step, and it’s a change.” This is in addition to other previously announced changes for this season, including the elimination of Warpaint the horse, headdresses, and face-paint that references Native American culture. Donovan cited conversations with what the club has called its “working group” of Native Americans from regional tribes, as well as the National Congress of American Indians. Both offered support for the organization’s subtle alterations, Donovan said, with the understanding that these are steps in a bigger process. “For us, it’s trying to find that balance,” Donovan said. “Knowing our fans are going to do this, no matter what we do. If we can change it into the beating of the drum, we think that’s better than the chop.” Again, these changes are small. The drumbeat song will still be played, and Donovan said there will be no direction given to play it more or less often. They’ll still call it the Arrowhead Chop. Most fans, Donovan knows, will still call it the tomahawk chop. He characterized it this way: Some fans won’t notice, some won’t care and “others will appreciate that it’s a change in the right direction.” Some analysis. The Chiefs are essentially splitting the middle here. The organization has had ongoing conversations with various Native American groups for six years. They’ve heard different perspectives, though they’ve never had formal talks with any who want the name of the team or stadium changed. They can be fairly criticized for that, but they also have a constituency to consider. The Chop has become a beloved part of the game-day experience at Arrowhead for many. Once, in the 1990s, the team announced it would no longer do The Chop. So many fans wrote and called in that the decision was almost immediately reversed. That history echoes here, now. The team has been shown that radical change to these elements won’t work, so it’s hoping to find a middle ground that can be satisfactory enough. Some will view this as a non-stance, and the Chiefs will likely be criticized on both sides — for not doing enough to stop appropriation culture from one, and for too much capitulating to activists on the other. The truth is that the Chiefs have made real efforts toward education and provide a platform that’s only growing to do more. The truth is also that the team would prefer the debate simply go away. “This is a process,” Donovan said. “This is years. We’re going to do this, and hopefully it’s well received and we’ll continue to do more.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,713 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 It's too funny... Somehow, I think fans will do what fans will do. God Bless America and the Panties She wears. w MAUI and arshinnc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 ok the Drum still gets Blessed..so much for the outrage. I really dont give rats rectum..fans gonna do what fans gonna do and its ingrained into the Chiefs Kingdom now.. they can say or do what hey want it aint gonna change nothing. kychief and arshinnc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 arshinnc and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 There will always be people who will bitch about something. During game time us fans just want football. To be entertained and enjoy ourselves rooting and some complaining about are team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I wonder if it would be different if one of these "Native American Named" professional sports teams was bought by a Native American tribe? Lord knows some of the tribes out there have some Casino money and can flip the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Should Ceasars Palace be allowed? Seems that guy was not so nice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Balto said: I wonder if it would be different if one of these "Native American Named" professional sports teams was bought by a Native American tribe? Lord knows some of the tribes out there have some Casino money and can flip the bill. Watch it. Someone may get the idea and some dumb ass politician force a Chiefs team sale? Ha Ha Ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpo The Mad Clown 5,555 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Balto said: I wonder if it would be different if one of these "Native American Named" professional sports teams was bought by a Native American tribe? Lord knows some of the tribes out there have some Casino money and can flip the bill. They could change the name to the Kansas City White Dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 We managed to make it look even sillier. City of fountains, can’t we just spit beer in the air? mex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 So an open hand is a tomahawk chop (bad) and a closed fist is beating an Indian drum (good)? Insanity. Guess which the majority of fans will do. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, jetlord said: So an open hand is a tomahawk chop (bad) and a closed fist is beating an Indian drum (good)? Insanity. Guess which the majority of fans will do. I'm sitting here trying both ways and it just feels sooooo weird with a closed fist vs open hand. SEMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Balto said: I'm sitting here trying both ways and it just feels sooooo weird with a closed fist vs open hand. Yeah, the closed fist seems like a more aggressive gesture to me, especially without a real tomahawk. SEMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Don't give a rip about any of it. Just wanna see Mahomes flinging the pigskin. The Shark smelling the blood. The blur of Tyreek. Andy being Andy DieHard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, azchief21 said: Don't give a rip about any of it. Just wanna see Mahomes flinging the pigskin. The Shark smelling the blood. The blur of Tyreek. Andy being Andy And rent being paid azchief21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Of course drunk chiefs fans will be tolerate oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 37 minutes ago, azchief21 said: Don't give a rip about any of it. Just wanna see Mahomes flinging the pigskin. The Shark smelling the blood. The blur of Tyreek. Andy being Andy Agree but less time management goofs the better. Just warming up my bitching for the game.😎 azchief21, DieHard and oldtimer 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Is there even an outrage from the Native Americans or are the Chiefs just following suit with the weird sensitive mood in pro sports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, sith13 said: Is there even an outrage from the Native Americans or are the Chiefs just following suit with the weird sensitive mood in pro sports? well since there will be a medicine man or men blessing the drum on the field.... your guess is as good as mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, oldtimer said: well since there will be a medicine man or men blessing the drum on the field.... your guess is as good as mine This is going to be one weird season 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Balto said: I'm sitting here trying both ways and it just feels sooooo weird with a closed fist vs open hand. Try some lube. mex, reesebobby and oldtimer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, SEMO said: Try some lube. Makes sense since i have to chop from the top of my head all the way down to my waist. Some men are bigger than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 9 hours ago, reesebobby said: I remember that commercial then I actually visited some reservations... it was apparent litter is not much of a concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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