Ravens Week- let's get it rolling

[SEMO 6,811]

2 minutes ago, Chiefmanzada said:

Our starting corners are out along with the guy who beasted our entire run defense. 

This defense sucked without Pennel last year. Let's just call it as it is. He's more important than all of our starting linebackers

No Saunders either, who really came on late last year.

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1 hour ago, Iluvhouse24 said:

Its disheartening because we saw the defense progress so much through the year last season. Where they really looked like a formidable unit at seasons end and at times in the playoffs. So you get excited thinking they will build on it. Instead they've reverted back to where they were at the beginning of last yr.

No I get it.  But consider it's not just us.   Defenses leaguewide are mostly having issues.  Consider it a casualty of a fucked up offseason.  They need to get it turned around for sure but there's time and reinforcements on the way.

[Calichief 3,016]

 

No I get it.  But consider it's not just us.   Defenses leaguewide are mostly having issues.  Consider it a casualty of a fucked up offseason.  They need to get it turned around for sure but there's time and reinforcements on the way.

Just rewatched. Definitely ugly on defense. I think the chiefs defense fed on the Crowd, the offense, and the charge to win a Super Bowl. Reinforcements will be needed. And spags is going to have to coach his ass off. Ravens may go for 550 yards.

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7 hours ago, Calichief said:

Just rewatched. Definitely ugly on defense. I think the chiefs defense fed on the Crowd, the offense, and the charge to win a Super Bowl. Reinforcements will be needed. And spags is going to have to coach his ass off. Ravens may go for 550 yards.

Yeah I don't see pennel in his first week back making that much of a difference.  Keep it tight in the redzone and we'll be in it.  This game will hinge on whether the offense shows up or not anyway.

[Biggjliv4 1,292]

We definitely don't have any rooms for drops this game.  Drob need to step up or take a permanent seat in game day.  Sammy said he fine, but is he officially playing or is that player speak? 

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BTW, Bmore still in top 3 in blitz % this season after leading the league in blitz % in 2019.  Any thoughts that they have the personnel to follow the cover 3 with 4 man rush plan that the 49ers and Chargers followed needs to remember this.

Chargers are dead last in blitz % for a reason, they don't have to.

Chargers and 49ers both in bottom 4 of blitz % last year.  

This matters as you get the numbers in your favor if you can bring pressure without blitzing.  

Baltimore does not have this.

Something to consider.

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38 minutes ago, xen said:

BTW, Bmore still in top 3 in blitz % this season after leading the league in blitz % in 2019.  Any thoughts that they have the personnel to follow the cover 3 with 4 man rush plan that the 49ers and Chargers followed needs to remember this.

Chargers are dead last in blitz % for a reason, they don't have to.

Chargers and 49ers both in bottom 4 of blitz % last year.  

This matters as you get the numbers in your favor if you can bring pressure without blitzing.  

Baltimore does not have this.

Something to consider.

Ingram and Bosa are a problem for any offense.  No disrespect to Derek Wolfe, but come on. 

[Balto 723]

Lets compare Chiefs/Ravens vs Texans:

Half time Chiefs:  17-7

Half time Ravens:  20-10

 

After 3 quarters Chiefs:  24-7

After 3 quarters Ravens:  23-10

Final score:

Chiefs:  34-20

Ravens:  33-16

-----When did Ravens let off the gas?  Chiefs let off around mid way 3rd-----

Passing:

Mahomes:  203 yards and 3 TDs

Jackson:  177 yards and 1 TD

---We all can agree that if it came down to an arm game we win by a mile----

Rushing:

Chiefs:  166 Yards, CEH had 138 of those and 1 TD

Ravens:  230 Yards, Gus Edwards was leading rusher with 73 yards, Lamar Jackson had 54

-----Ravens used multiple players including Jackson to run the ball, KC pretty much feed CEH-----

 

Now lets look at how each teams defense did:

Chiefs gave up 242 Passing and 118 Rushing yards

Ravens gave up 253 Passing and 51 Rushing yards

--Also need to point out that Will Fuller took in 112 of those yards KC gave up and he did not play vs Ravens--

 

Chiefs gave up 1 sack and sacked Texans 4 times

Ravens gave up 4 sacks and sacked Texans 4 times

Texans through 1 INT in each game and neither Chiefs nor Ravens gave up an INT

----Chiefs have the better OLine?-----

Time of Possession:

Chiefs 34:47  Texans 25:13

Ravens 34:51  Texans 25:09

 

 

Honestly if you look at these games you can easily see that both Chiefs and Ravens played the Texans about as even as you can get.  I did not watch the Ravens/Texans game soooo no eye test and I'm not sure IF or WHEN the Ravens let up BUT I know in the Chiefs/Texans game KC basically called it over mid way through the 3rd.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, xen said:

BTW, Bmore still in top 3 in blitz % this season after leading the league in blitz % in 2019.  Any thoughts that they have the personnel to follow the cover 3 with 4 man rush plan that the 49ers and Chargers followed needs to remember this.

Chargers are dead last in blitz % for a reason, they don't have to.

Chargers and 49ers both in bottom 4 of blitz % last year.  

This matters as you get the numbers in your favor if you can bring pressure without blitzing.  

Baltimore does not have this.

Something to consider.

This is exactly why chiefs have had harder time with those teams. I bet ravens will try this coverage and mix it in. 

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41 minutes ago, Holmes4six! said:

This is exactly why chiefs have had harder time with those teams. I bet ravens will try this coverage and mix it in. 

I don't think they have the front 4 to make it work.

 

[Lamardirts 2,114]

Just rewatched the game last night vs the Chargers.  Hate to keep kicking a dead horse but Ben Nieman and Sorensen should have been replaced in the offseason or at least moved down on the depth chart.   I understand Sorensen had a few plays that probably helped us advance and I'm forever grateful but you can't build a dynasty in this league by being sentimental.  Both of those guys missed tackle after tackle and Nieman is so tentative and stiff its hard to watch.   If Spags doesn't make some changes we are going to get ate up by the Ravens.   Better quarterback than last week, better running backs overall than last week and Mark Andrews is ever bit as good as Hunter Henry.   

I watched LJ a bit and he looks improved in his passing this year.  Not saying he's all pro or anything but he has improved.   Overall we have improved, but the one area we haven't is at LB and there is a case to be made we are worse.   I could see us getting beat if our Offense struggles.   

What we have going for us is, we finally get to face off against a team without elite pass rushers and Pat thrives off blitzing teams so if our O can get its act together and jump out early we can mask our lb deficiencies.    

 

[AFCWEST 1,238]

Crazy. Reading this thread you would think KC is a losing team. Lots of Chiefs suck conversations.  Maybe Im dreaming but isnt KL on an 11 game win streak?

[DefensiveMan 758]

5 hours ago, Lamardirts said:

Just rewatched the game last night vs the Chargers.  Hate to keep kicking a dead horse but Ben Nieman and Sorensen should have been replaced in the offseason or at least moved down on the depth chart.   I understand Sorensen had a few plays that probably helped us advance and I'm forever grateful but you can't build a dynasty in this league by being sentimental.  Both of those guys missed tackle after tackle and Nieman is so tentative and stiff its hard to watch.   If Spags doesn't make some changes we are going to get ate up by the Ravens.   Better quarterback than last week, better running backs overall than last week and Mark Andrews is ever bit as good as Hunter Henry.   

I watched LJ a bit and he looks improved in his passing this year.  Not saying he's all pro or anything but he has improved.   Overall we have improved, but the one area we haven't is at LB and there is a case to be made we are worse.   I could see us getting beat if our Offense struggles.   

What we have going for us is, we finally get to face off against a team without elite pass rushers and Pat thrives off blitzing teams so if our O can get its act together and jump out early we can mask our lb deficiencies.    

 

To be honest those two aren't good at tackling in space but they are the two best bets to cover Andrews. Nieman covered Hunter Henry well at times last week. I wouldn't want them on the RBs though.

[Chiefmanzada 466]

Thornhill needs to improve his tackling. Was atrocious 

[kkuenn 3,597]

16 minutes ago, Chiefmanzada said:

Thornhill needs to improve his tackling. Was atrocious 

Many did but he may be hesitant still with the knee? He will get better I bet.

[Chiefmanzada 466]

8 minutes ago, kkuenn said:

Many did but he may be hesitant still with the knee? He will get better I bet.

Idk man I didn't like his tackling last year either. 

Never really saw all the hype behind the dude.

[jetlord 10,209]

2 hours ago, AFCWEST said:

Crazy. Reading this thread you would think KC is a losing team. Lots of Chiefs suck conversations.  Maybe Im dreaming but isnt KL on an 11 game win streak?

Not really.  We all can see that the KC defense is less than the second half of last year  The O-line hasn't looked all that great.  Watkins may be out.  Ward is iffy.  No one is tackling well.  BAL has added some players that the Chiefs didn't face last year such as Peters.  There's a reason the odds makers have made the Ravens favorites.  That doesn't make the Chiefs losers.  They are one of the top two teams and have a better chance of upsetting BAL than anyone.  If Gay starts contributing, Breeland comes back ready to play, and Thornhill regains his form, the Chiefs could be favored when/if they meet in the playoffs.  Being realistic isn't labeling the Chiefs as losers, it's just acknowledging that our team is playing one of the best on Monday. 

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sammy in concussion protocol but supposedly its more the neck

[Calichief 3,016]

Hardman is going to go off 

[ChiefThunder 153]

10 hours ago, xen said:

I don't think they have the front 4 to make it work.

 

Agreed. The defensive scheme is the reason....Chargers/49ers run 4-3 and Ravens 3-4. 

[DefensiveMan 758]

Mahomes out of the pocket will work nicely. Watson made some throws against Balty. Holes in that secondary when you bring 7 every time. Their style is attack they won't sit back like the Chargers and Niners. 

[xen 1,010,220]

5 hours ago, ChiefThunder said:

Agreed. The defensive scheme is the reason....Chargers/49ers run 4-3 and Ravens 3-4. 

lol oops brainfart. Same basics though.  Bring pressure without blitzing, play cover 3 to limit big plays, have your outside pass rushers play contain on mahomes while also bringing pressure.  Its a tough ask of a defense.  If you don't have the personnel, fuggetaboutit.

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https://www.pennlive.com/baltimore-ravens/2020/09/3-baltimore-ravens-kansas-city-chiefs-stats-that-could-tell-the-story-of-mondays-game.html

3 Baltimore Ravens, Kansas City Chiefs stats that could tell the story of Monday’s game

Updated Sep 24, 2020

By Aaron Kasinitz | akasinitz@pennlive.com

The NFL’s most heavily anticipated game early in its most unusual season will arrive Monday when the defending champion Kansas City Chiefs (2-0) play at the Baltimore Ravens (2-0). And these three stats could provide hints at how the prime-time tilt between two title contenders unfolds:

1) The Ravens have blitzed Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes 40 times in two games

Ravens defensive coordinator Don “Wink” Martindale likes to send extra rushers sprinting toward quarterbacks and hasn’t dialed down his aggression in two games against Mahomes, the reigning Super Bowl MVP with a knack for making plays in the face of pressure.

Mahomes faced a career-high 23 blitzes in a 2018 win over the Ravens, according to Pro Football Reference’s numbers.

The second-most blitzes he’s seen in a single game? That came when Martindale called 17 of them in another Chiefs' win last year.

While the Ravens haven’t been especially effective against Mahomes, who totaled 751 yards and five touchdowns through the air in those two contests, there’s no tried and true strategy to slowing the Chiefs' star. He’s posted a passer rating above 100 in 21 of 33 career starts. Any plan to contain him is bound to have flaws.

There is at least some statistical evidence supporting the merits of regularly running additional rushers toward Mahomes: In 2018, the Chiefs went 1-3 when Mahomes faced at least 10 blitzes (the Ravens represent the only loss). But that’s a small sample size, and teams tend to blitz more when they’re leading, potentially skewing these numbers.

What’s certain is that Martindale has not stopped leaning on blitzes against Mahomes in the past, and it’d be a surprise if he takes a significantly more cautious approach Monday. And Mahomes' success handling the added pressure could play a large role in dictating the game’s outcome.

Last year against the Chiefs, the Ravens finished with one sack and seven quarterback hits despite blitzing 17 times. Mahomes threw for three touchdowns, no interceptions and averaged 10.1 yards per pass.

In 2018, Baltimore got to Mahomes more often. They piled up three sacks and 12 hits. Mahomes threw two touchdowns, one interception and averaged 7.1 yards per throw as Kansas City needed overtime to squeak out a 27-24 win.

The lesson: If you’re going to use extra players to pressure Mahomes — and all signs suggest the Ravens will do so more frequently than any other team — one of your rushers better get their hands on him.

2) Two of Ravens QB Lamar Jackson’s three lowest single-game completion percentage rates have come against the Chiefs

In his first game against the Chiefs in 2018, Jackson completed just 54.1% of his passes, the worst rate of any of his regular-season starts as a rookie. Last year, Jackson went 22 of 43 (51.1%) through the air in a Week 3 loss to Chiefs, and he only had a worse completion percentage in one game, a 9-of-20 (45%) performance during a win over the Seahawks.

Maybe the Chiefs, with their athletic pass rush led by Pro Bowl defensive tackle Chris Jones, simply have a defense suited to give Jackson fits. Or perhaps Baltimore’s MVP signal-caller posted shabby completion rates against Kansas City because his team faced deficits in both games and he felt pressed to keep up the pace of Mahomes' high-flying offense.

Whatever the case, Jackson’s accuracy in two losses to the Chiefs haven’t matched his typical standards.

It wouldn’t be hard for an optimistic Ravens fan to find a positive spin to that, though.

Jackson has made steady strides on his passing precision at every stage of his career. Through two games this season, he ranks second in the NFL with a 77.6% completion rate, and other advanced metrics also show he’s among the league’s most accurate passers.

The Ravens found a semblance of success in the running game in their past two meetings with the Chiefs and lost the contests — both on the road — by a combined eight points. If Jackson’s improved accuracy shows up Monday night, perhaps he’d give Baltimore the extra push it needs to climb past Kansas City in a home game.

On the flip side, the Chiefs can try to show that their relative success defending Jackson has been no matter of happenstance.

3) Chiefs rookie running back Clyde Edwards-Helaire is tied for seventh in the NFL with five carries of 10 or more yards

The Ravens lost just three games last season, and a common theme emerged in those setbacks: Baltimore’s run defense allowed opponents to gain big chunks of yardage.

In the Chiefs' win over the Ravens last year, three players — Mahomes (11 yards) and running backs Darrell Williams (41) and LeSean McCoy (25) — had at least one carry of more than 10 yards. An 88-yard scamper from Nick Chubb lifted the Cleveland Browns over Baltimore a week later.

And in the playoffs, Titans running back Derrick Henry plowed his way through the Ravens' defense.

Mahomes is the superstar. But recent history will work against the Ravens if their run defense, which showed improvements in a win over the Texans on Sunday, doesn’t contain Edwards-Helaire.

Aaron Kasinitz covers the Baltimore Ravens for PennLive and can be reached at akasinitz@pennlive.com or on Twitter @AaronKazreports. Follow PennLive’s Ravens coverage on Facebook and Youtube.

 

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3 hours ago, xen said:

lol oops brainfart. Same basics though.  Bring pressure without blitzing, play cover 3 to limit big plays, have your outside pass rushers play contain on mahomes while also bringing pressure.  Its a tough ask of a defense.  If you don't have the personnel, fuggetaboutit.

Frankly I never understood why they don't call it  a 5-2.  Put Dee Ford in San Fran and he does the exact same thing but they call him a defensive end.  Put him in a 3-4 and he's a linebacker.