jetlord 10,209 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, azchief21 said: He's always been awesome. Glad he got away from the on-field antics. One of my all time favorite Chiefs now. If forced, I'd choose Kelce over Gonzo. It would be fun to see TG in his prime with this team and coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, jetlord said: It would be fun to see TG in his prime with this team and coach. Be even better to see what we could do behind the O line they had back in TGs day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Be even better to see what we could do behind the O line they had back in TGs day. They might run the ball more and throw fewer passes to TE on third and two. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 If we draft wisely we have a chance to have a good line next year. I think Niang has the ability to be better than Remmers at RT and Remmers has been avg. we draft a stud OC and get Rankins healthy and maybe sign Wiz to a one year vet deal and while it would be the 2002-03 Oline it would be the best Mahones has probably had and we’ve seen what he can do with a crappy line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: If we draft wisely we have a chance to have a good line next year. I think Niang has the ability to be better than Remmers at RT and Remmers has been avg. we draft a stud OC and get Rankins healthy and maybe sign Wiz to a one year vet deal and while it would be the 2002-03 Oline it would be the best Mahones has probably had and we’ve seen what he can do with a crappy line. I would want to see what he can do at LT if possible. Draft a center with Wiz and Rankins as guards. Schwartz at RT. This will allow us to develop middle picks for the guard position. Then go LB/DE in rounds 1 and 2 with bpa. Center in round 3 as it is a deep draft and FA this year plus many centers were taken last draft as it was deep. Other 3rd round I would look at TE/WR types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes4six! 968 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I sure hope chiefs can find another stud TE to start developing. I thought Ricky seals would contribute but he has been worse than demerits Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan4pres 125 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 In TG's column: better hands, better at catching with people all over him (i.e., boxing people out with his BB experience), better in the red zone- why he had so many TD's. In TK's column: better speed, more agile (which makes him a better route runner). Probably more of a match up nightmare because of this. He's like a bulked up WR. Blocking is probably a push. Both were/are probably above average but TG was called on to run block much more (particularly during the pre-Vermeil days) so he may have the edge. TG revolutionized the TE position along with others like Shannon Sharpe and Kellen Winslow. On TK's side, the defenses have probably become much more exotic so the fact that he can operate regardless of the multiple defenses being played is very impressive. On TG's side, defenses can no longer mug receivers like they used to. I'm sure TG would be even better in today's NFL, let alone in this offense. Tony was very athletic but he wasn't going to run away from anyone or juke them out of their shorts. I personally think TG is still the guy. He had no one else doing anything on the WR end for most of his career so defenses could hone in on him and he was still unstoppable. Younger fans really don't understand how dominant that dude was. If you threw it with in 3 feet of the guy, he was going to make a play. I realize some fans still hold a grudge for Gonzalez wanting out of KC...you need to get over it. You should be blaming the Chiefs front office for never giving him a franchise QB his entire career (and no, I'm not including Joe Montana). Taking nothing away from Kelce, he is an athletic freak and his football IQ is vastly underrated. We should be counting our blessings we were able to have both in a Chief's uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 8:19 PM, jetlord said: TG in this system would be even better. Not taking anything away from Kelce, but Smith and Mahomes vs. Cassel and Palko? and he would have ended his career as a chief...not in the ATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, KC Warpaint said: and he would have ended his career as a chief...not in the ATL TG also had 6 years if Green as a QB. Who was better than Smith. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, kkuenn said: TG also had 6 years if Green as a QB. Who was better than Smith. Smith could have gotten the ball to TG. Hill was out of reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 What I think is impressive about Kelce is he's got great numbers and we have never force fed him the ball like we did TG. TG on the other hand was mugged and made tough catch after tough catch. Looking at TG's numbers though, the longevity is just incredible. I don't think Kelce can play long enough to get there. He would need 5-6 years like this year to get close..... I can see 2-3 more. Y'all are right though we need to develop someone behind him, just not sure if this draft is the one to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 On 12/9/2020 at 12:56 PM, Dan4pres said: In TG's column: better hands, better at catching with people all over him (i.e., boxing people out with his BB experience), better in the red zone- why he had so many TD's. In TK's column: better speed, more agile (which makes him a better route runner). Probably more of a match up nightmare because of this. He's like a bulked up WR. Blocking is probably a push. Both were/are probably above average but TG was called on to run block much more (particularly during the pre-Vermeil days) so he may have the edge. TG revolutionized the TE position along with others like Shannon Sharpe and Kellen Winslow. On TK's side, the defenses have probably become much more exotic so the fact that he can operate regardless of the multiple defenses being played is very impressive. On TG's side, defenses can no longer mug receivers like they used to. I'm sure TG would be even better in today's NFL, let alone in this offense. Tony was very athletic but he wasn't going to run away from anyone or juke them out of their shorts. I personally think TG is still the guy. He had no one else doing anything on the WR end for most of his career so defenses could hone in on him and he was still unstoppable. Younger fans really don't understand how dominant that dude was. If you threw it with in 3 feet of the guy, he was going to make a play. I realize some fans still hold a grudge for Gonzalez wanting out of KC...you need to get over it. You should be blaming the Chiefs front office for never giving him a franchise QB his entire career (and no, I'm not including Joe Montana). Taking nothing away from Kelce, he is an athletic freak and his football IQ is vastly underrated. We should be counting our blessings we were able to have both in a Chief's uniform. I’m not sold on the hands. Tg had a fair share of drops. Kelce has dropped some but I can’t think of any that cost us games. Maybe I’m missing one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 In today’s game, I’m taking kelce. In the 80’s 90’s, tg. Overall, coin toss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan4pres 125 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Calichief said: I’m not sold on the hands. Tg had a fair share of drops. Kelce has dropped some but I can’t think of any that cost us games. Maybe I’m missing one. Kelce and Robinson dropped easy catches early in the Houston playoff game last year but his concentration is much better now than when he was younger. Kelce has had a few games where he dropped multiple passes back to back but I can't name the examples. I was more concerned about his fumbling issues, to be honest. I think TG had some drops early in his career but was money as time went on. I was always impressed how he could catch ball with 2-3 guys draped all over him. Kelce rarely has to make those kinds of catches, frankly. Different offense and different league now. Kelce is all about finding the soft spots in zones or beating his man in a man scheme. You know Tony was doing a little button hook route or something and had to fend off a LB or Safety or both. I don't think Kelce will overtake Tony's TD numbers but he may very well have the Receiving Yards title before it's said and done, assuming he wants to keep playing that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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