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Just now, Calichief said:

Get Sneed out there. Maybe a little more Watts. 

I know the sacks are a lot to do with not blitzing which is fine. I know its game planned if you look at Oaklands strength and Carolina. 

No one is going to Win with Waller really. Especially not Dan as it is not his strength. Only a couple guys in the league can cover that dude. I look forward to Kelce Vs. David. 

Waller is a beast.  We don't have a guy that matches up with him.  We might look at Hamsah Nasirildeen as a draft replacement for Dirty Dan.  At least right now you can probably get him in the 2nd or 3rd round but he may shoot up boards.  Matchup 3rd safety/dime backer.  6'3 or 6'4.  Like Dirty Dan if he was a great athlete.  

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6 minutes ago, Calichief said:

Get Sneed out there. Maybe a little more Watts. 

I know the sacks are a lot to do with not blitzing which is fine. I know its game planned if you look at Oaklands strength and Carolina. 

No one is going to Win with Waller really. Especially not Dan as it is not his strength. Only a couple guys in the league can cover that dude. I look forward to Kelce Vs. David. 

did I say Oakland.. LV

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1 minute ago, Calichief said:

did I say Oakland.. LV

Close enough

Except Chokeland sounds better than Choke Vegas.  Las Chokers?

Doesn't have the same ring to it.

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Just now, xen said:

Close enough

Except Chokeland sounds better than Choke Vegas.  Las Chokers?

Doesn't have the same ring to it.

Los'e Vegas?

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1 hour ago, xen said:

Yeah we'd have lost 0 games over the last calendar year instead of 1

Thats not my point. The discussion was what is the problem with the dline. I agree nothing is a big problem for this 18-1 team. Still that does not dismiss the fact that the draft has been a few hits on D but mostly misses. Free agency has helped the D compete.

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6 minutes ago, AFCWEST said:

Thats not my point. The discussion was what is the problem with the dline. I agree nothing is a big problem for this 18-1 team. Still that does not dismiss the fact that the draft has been a few hits on D but mostly misses. Free agency has helped the D compete.

 

2019

2nd Thornhill - starter

3rd Saunders - contributor

6th Fenton - contributor

2020

2nd Gay - situational starter, work in progress

4th Sneed - contributor

5th Danna - contributor

7th Bopete - ST's only at this point

Thats all the defensive players in the last 2 drafts under Veach.  2018 he found 1 contributor in Nnadi and a replacement level player in Watts + DOD who is a great special teamer but shit defender.

I wouldn't call that mostly misses.  Plenty of solid players in that group.

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2 minutes ago, xen said:

 

2019

2nd Thornhill - starter

3rd Saunders - contributor

6th Fenton - contributor

2020

2nd Gay - situational starter, work in progress

4th Sneed - contributor

5th Danna - contributor

7th Bopete - ST's only at this point

Thats all the defensive players in the last 2 drafts under Veach.  2018 he found 1 contributor in Nnadi and a replacement level player in Watts + DOD who is a great special teamer but shit defender.

I wouldn't call that mostly misses.  Plenty of solid players in that group.

You could argue that Gay, Fenton, Sneed should all start?

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5 minutes ago, xen said:

 

2019

2nd Thornhill - starter

3rd Saunders - contributor

6th Fenton - contributor

2020

2nd Gay - situational starter, work in progress

4th Sneed - contributor

5th Danna - contributor

7th Bopete - ST's only at this point

Thats all the defensive players in the last 2 drafts under Veach.  2018 he found 1 contributor in Nnadi and a replacement level player in Watts + DOD who is a great special teamer but shit defender.

I wouldn't call that mostly misses.  Plenty of solid players in that group.

I also would not call these guys all hits. Especially the top 1-3rd round picks. For Rounds 1-3 is contributor the Bar? Saunders has barely contributed. I also did state Veach drafts. Just overall KC has missed more than succeeded in the early rounds.

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30 minutes ago, Calichief said:

You could argue that Gay, Fenton, Sneed should all start?

Gay and Sneed are still getting up to speed with the fucked up offseason but yes, both can be starting caliber guys..  Fenton... I think his ceiling is rotation guy who is matchup dependent.  Should probably be the 4th or 5th corner.  

Saunders can play.  He's stuck behind 2 better players though, plus Wharton, who is a freak still learning to play.  The good thing with Saunders is he has some versatility to his game (can play nose, 1 tech, 3 tech).  The bad news is, when everyone is healthy, you might be better off with specialists behind your starters.  Thats how its played out with Wharton (pass rush specialist) and Pennel (run specialist).

 

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30 minutes ago, AFCWEST said:

I also would not call these guys all hits. Especially the top 1-3rd round picks. For Rounds 1-3 is contributor the Bar? Saunders has barely contributed. I also did state Veach drafts. Just overall KC has missed more than succeeded in the early rounds.

We don't have any first round defensive picks under veach but yes, gotta find starters.

Round 2 I'd say the bar is solid starter.  Round 3 is eventual starter within 3 years (if you're lucky).

You might say thats not good enough of a bar but consider that, historically in rounds 2 and 3, you have only roughly a 30-35% chance of finding a starting caliber player.  

4th round you have roughly a 5 to 7% chance of finding a starter.  It gets worse from there.  If you can find a solid contributor and rotational guy you're ahead of the game.

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This Bucs d is tough against the run. Particularly to the outside. Sweeps will be interesting. Would surprise me Reid throws a few early ones to get them thinking. 
I agree with some on here that we need to eat the clock dink and dunk like the raiders game. Wear out that defense. Get TB playing from behind. I really love the fact last week we had 3 rushing TD within the red zone. That is fricken huge for us. 

[jetlord 10,209]

Back to the Bucs:  One has to wonder if the defensive collapse by the Chiefs against the Raiders was a trend or a one game, post bye, aberration.  Breeland hasn't been that bad since coming back, but he was terrible Sunday night.  Ward was beaten.  Sorenson missed about five tackles.  No pressure on Carr.  Defense left receivers uncovered.  The list is endless.  A repeat of that performance will get the Chiefs a loss.  Tampa's defense is better than the Raiders.  More Sneed, less Sorenson.  More Gay, less Neiman.  Some DE opposite Clark besides Kpass to keep the double teams off Jones and Clark.  Who covers Gronk?  

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6 minutes ago, jetlord said:

Back to the Bucs:  One has to wonder if the defensive collapse by the Chiefs against the Raiders was a trend or a one game, post bye, aberration.  Breeland hasn't been that bad since coming back, but he was terrible Sunday night.  Ward was beaten.  Sorenson missed about five tackles.  No pressure on Carr.  Defense left receivers uncovered.  The list is endless.  A repeat of that performance will get the Chiefs a loss.  Tampa's defense is better than the Raiders.  More Sneed, less Sorenson.  More Gay, less Neiman.  Some DE opposite Clark besides Kpass to keep the double teams off Jones and Clark.  Who covers Gronk?  

I think some of what happened was to do with the fact chiefs did not want to allow raiders to have big plays like they did week 5. Remember they had 5 plays of over 40 yds. 
I did see a replay of Gay where he tackled Booker and if had not it would have gone for a TD. He needs to play full time. His speed is unreal. 
Chiefs d has been stinking for two weeks now. Carolina and Raiders. Both teams played dink and dunk. Blitz did not get there. 
As u mentioned if they play like this we will lose. 
nice thing is arians is making Brady throw the ball deep which he is not good at. We just need to start abusing the QB. We need hits. I just don’t see enough of that in the beginning of a game to set the tone. This is one game where we need a early smack on Brady and he will then be worried all night. 

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1 minute ago, Holmes4six! said:

I think some of what happened was to do with the fact chiefs did not want to allow raiders to have big plays like they did week 5. Remember they had 5 plays of over 40 yds. 
I did see a replay of Gay where he tackled Booker and if had not it would have gone for a TD. He needs to play full time. His speed is unreal. 
Chiefs d has been stinking for two weeks now. Carolina and Raiders. Both teams played dink and dunk. Blitz did not get there. 
As u mentioned if they play like this we will lose. 
nice thing is arians is making Brady throw the ball deep which he is not good at. We just need to start abusing the QB. We need hits. I just don’t see enough of that in the beginning of a game to set the tone. This is one game where we need a early smack on Brady and he will then be worried all night. 

To be fair, the Raiders O-line is really good while the Chiefs were missing Taco and mostly Okafor.  My hope is that the pass rush will at least get pressure half the time against Brady.  He's not as unshakable as he was a few years ago. 

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1 hour ago, jetlord said:

Back to the Bucs:  One has to wonder if the defensive collapse by the Chiefs against the Raiders was a trend or a one game, post bye, aberration.  Breeland hasn't been that bad since coming back, but he was terrible Sunday night.  Ward was beaten.  Sorenson missed about five tackles.  No pressure on Carr.  Defense left receivers uncovered.  The list is endless.  A repeat of that performance will get the Chiefs a loss.  Tampa's defense is better than the Raiders.  More Sneed, less Sorenson.  More Gay, less Neiman.  Some DE opposite Clark besides Kpass to keep the double teams off Jones and Clark.  Who covers Gronk?  

I must admit. The Raiders offense is almost as good as KC. So most defenses will struggle against them. 

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8 minutes ago, AFCWEST said:

I must admit. The Raiders offense is almost as good as KC. So most defenses will struggle against them. 

The Raiders have a better line and rushing attack, but their offense isn't nearly as good as KC.  Those extra three or four points that the Chiefs score are enough to win a couple of extra games/season.  Other teams try to limit the number of possessions the Chiefs get.  Without that, they would average over 35/game.  Carr is playing his career best and still can't hold a candle to Mahomes.   It's only defense that keeps the Chiefs from being alone at the top.  

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2 minutes ago, jetlord said:

The Raiders have a better line and rushing attack, but their offense isn't nearly as good as KC.  Those extra three or four points that the Chiefs score are enough to win a couple of extra games/season.  Other teams try to limit the number of possessions the Chiefs get.  Without that, they would average over 35/game.  Carr is playing his career best and still can't hold a candle to Mahomes.   It's only defense that keeps the Chiefs from being alone at the top.  

Their offense is close. Several of their starters could start for KC. Only missing a Mahomes but Carr is coming into his own. My point is the KC defense faced a tough matchup that they will not see often. 

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3 minutes ago, AFCWEST said:

Their offense is close. Several of their starters could start for KC. Only missing a Mahomes but Carr is coming into his own. My point is the KC defense faced a tough matchup that they will not see often. 

Wouldn't you rank the Raider defense lower than PIT or IND?  Those are teams also standing between the Chiefs and another SB run 

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1 minute ago, jetlord said:

Wouldn't you rank the Raider defense lower than PIT or IND?  Those are teams also standing between the Chiefs and another SB run 

Raider D has a ways to go for sure. They are like the 2018 Chiefs. I dont think about teams in the way. Playoffs are too unpredictable. Just love the fact that KC is almost a playoff given every season Mahomes takes the field. KC 4-1 in playoffs with MR Clutch Mahomes. Will be exciting win or lose.

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Tyrann Mathieu says Juan Thornhill is still battling back from his injury

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/11/25/21720644/tyrann-mathieu-says-juan-thornhill-is-still-battling-back-from-his-injury

 

The_Juan_And_Only

 

@Juan_Thornhill

Sometimes you have to get knocked down lower than you’ve ever been, to stand up taller than you ever were.

2:05 PM · Nov 25, 2020

 

 

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Wasn't Thornhill playing okay earlier in the season?  Has he regressed or was his play covered by better defense from HB and the CBs?

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25 minutes ago, jetlord said:

Wasn't Thornhill playing okay earlier in the season?  Has he regressed or was his play covered by better defense from HB and the CBs?

Injury may be limiting his play and causing hesitation for fear of reinjuring.

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4 hours ago, jetlord said:

Back to the Bucs:  One has to wonder if the defensive collapse by the Chiefs against the Raiders was a trend or a one game, post bye, aberration.  Breeland hasn't been that bad since coming back, but he was terrible Sunday night.  Ward was beaten.  Sorenson missed about five tackles.  No pressure on Carr.  Defense left receivers uncovered.  The list is endless.  A repeat of that performance will get the Chiefs a loss.  Tampa's defense is better than the Raiders.  More Sneed, less Sorenson.  More Gay, less Neiman.  Some DE opposite Clark besides Kpass to keep the double teams off Jones and Clark.  Who covers Gronk?  

Ward allowed one yard and I thought played his best game in a long time.   Breeland played lousy and Spags scheme/plan wasn't good.  We let Waller eat us alive and we played soft coverage that allowed Carr to get rid of the ball quick when we did apply pressure ( and Seth Keysor said we did apply pressure but the coverage was so soft it gave Carr easy dump offs).  I remember one personaly that Wharton was in his face and he chunked it towards the sideline which was an easy reception because there was no defender within 10 yards of the guy.   Sneed will play more and I expect whoever is playing better will play down the stretch.  Sorensen is best in that #3 S role, when he's asked to be #2 he gets abused.  Nieman should never even see the field, I don't care if he's the Albert Einstein of Linebackers he looks just as lost as Gay out there and even if he does know what to do, he doesn't have the ability to turn that knowledge into anything beneficial.   I also think Gronk isn't what he used to be.   If we can pressure Brady we will destroy them.

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1 hour ago, jetlord said:

Wasn't Thornhill playing okay earlier in the season?  Has he regressed or was his play covered by better defense from HB and the CBs?

Recovery can be nonlinear.  Maybe he felt good and then all the playing time caused things to flare up a little bit.

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53 minutes ago, Adamixoye said:

Recovery can be nonlinear.  Maybe he felt good and then all the playing time caused things to flare up a little bit.

This.  And most guys take a year or 2 anyway to fully recover from that kind of injury.