WichitaZRide 321 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1. They said that last year too....how did that turn out? 2. Who cares? My only concern is that if they change names Clark needs to come to my house with a check to replace all my stuff if it no longer applies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, kkuenn said: The meaning of Chief is not derogatory at all. A leader of a group of people or a clan. I mean come the fuck on. depends on how it's used like if I responded "listen here, Chief..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 22 hours ago, West said: 1. Just Win Baby.....don't care what the National Media thinks about anything. 2. Chiefs forever....Why would the National Association of Fire Chiefs have an issue with the name. w It wasn't National. Local stations all over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Cleveland team’s name change now front and center. What does that mean for the Chiefs? By Sam Mellinger December 14, 2020 01:19 PM, Updated December 14, 2020 05:00 PM Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article247835310.html#storylink=cpy The Kansas City Chiefs are on the clock now. You’ll hear people say this. The Washington Redskins are now the Washington Football Team, pending a new team nickname, and this week the Cleveland Indians announced they, too, will find a new name. That moves the Chiefs, Atlanta Braves and Chicago Blackhawks to the top of the list, America’s last remaining major professional sports teams with names connected to Native American imagery. The Chiefs are the most visible of the three, play in the biggest league and employ arguably the biggest star in all of sports. So they’re on the clock. You’ll hear people say that, anyway. Except they’re not going to change. Not anytime soon, anyway. The Chiefs have prepared for this fight for seven years. Seven years! Culturally, the Chiefs’ marketing and business folks move slow and think long-term. This is an old-school franchise, in that way, and for seven years club president Mark Donovan and others among team leadership have seen this fight coming. Nothing that’s happened since has been unexpected. The Chiefs have insulated themselves. They’ve partnered with members of various tribes in Kansas City and the region. But this should not read as a full defense of the Chiefs. Their actions are more defensive than proactive. Their goal has always been to find a safe space between two sides of an argument that see no common ground. This type of controversy can be bad for business, and the Chiefs have always prioritized business. They’ve approached this like people-pleasers, not bold leaders. That’s neither a criticism nor defense. We just need to be honest about what’s happening here. The Chiefs talked, listened and made changes ranging from subtle (adding the war drum blessing before games) to shameless CYA (their cheerleaders do the tomahawk chop with a closed fist now, like they’re banging on a drum) to long overdue (fans are prohibited from wearing headdresses at Arrowhead Stadium). But, notably, they’ve stacked the deck by partnering specifically with groups whose asks fall short of changing their arrowhead logo or the name of the team or stadium. Recently, their discussions have been opened to national groups with more progressive views, but their focus groups are not asking for anything the Chiefs can’t do while keeping the trains moving forward. Self-serving or not, the time and energy they’ve spent has always put the Chiefs in a fundamentally different and more secure place than the football team in Washington or the baseball team in Cleveland. The question of whether the Chiefs should change their name will never be answered satisfactorily. One part of this that is often overlooked is that, as things stand right now, no business or institution in the country can match the Chiefs’ reach and motivation to educate the public about American Indian history and treat that history with respect. If they become the Monarchs or Kings or shift their imagery to represent fire chiefs, then all their effort and motivation to address Native Americans evaporates. Without anything to fill that space. Is that the best thing for a group of people already underrepresented in classrooms and popular culture? These are difficult questions, and the issues are complicated enough that any solution will be flawed. Personally, I’ve always drawn a distinct line between the Redskins and Indians and the Chiefs or Braves or Blackhawks. I believe the Chiefs have done everything that should be expected of them, treating the issue with respect. I am by nature hard to offend, and I see the Chiefs organization’s work in this space as significant. I also believe the opinion of a white dad and sportswriter on whether a team’s name is offensive to American Indians is comprehensively irrelevant. The Chiefs organization controls the name, and its most valued constituency is the fans. It’s instructive to remember that some 25 years ago the team banned the tomahawk chop, received a flood of negative reaction from fans, and immediately flipped. The 1990s are a long time ago, but the organization’s base way of decision-making persists. This is a self-survival thing for them, then. The Hunt family is among a handful of original owners in sports, and they prioritize tradition. Always have. You can see that in so many ways, from the Chiefs’ uniforms to the stadium to their marketing. They will protect tradition first, last and whenever possible. The Chiefs have been consistent with this, and so have their fans. You can criticize the Chiefs’ business folks for a lot of things, but they do listen to fans. That’s why the headdresses were easier to get rid of than the chop. There is no massive public campaign to save a random white person’s right to look like a fool, but there will be if the chop or team name are ever seriously threatened. That’s what’s often missed when the team’s name becomes a topic. Those who want the name changed don’t have to convince Donovan or chairman and CEO Clark Hunt. They have to convince thousands of Chiefs fans, the ones who buy gear and tickets and have shown themselves to have the power. Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sam-mellinger/article247835310.html#storylink=cpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCK Chiefs Fan 425 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 10:21 AM, artsy said: Someone referenced the Chiefs to the Fighting Irish...Good analogy/comparison. Fact is...They will come! and I'm very interested in how Clark will respond. I don't really understand how the word "Chiefs" can be considered offensive...There's Fire Chiefs, Police Chiefs, Maintenance Chiefs, etc, etc.. and best of all... The Kansas City Chiefs! Just to add a little bit to the etc, etc, I found that in the corporate world, there are over 60 titles with the word Chief in them, Military I found at least 12, the main one that come to mind are Master Chief, Chief Master Sergeant, Chief of the Boat, Crew Chief, Chief Warrant Officer, and I am sure many more So what the hell is wrong with the Team name Chiefs? Not A Damn Thing!!! AFCWEST and oldtimer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 7 hours ago, KC Warpaint said: a safe space between two sides of an argument that see no common ground. except, there aren't two sides native Americans aren't complaining... the only ones I've ever seen complain are rich white liberals I live 300 yards from the Rez... I see Chiefs hats everywhere real native Americans aren't offended by the Kansas City Chiefs... they take pride as fans oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 12 hours ago, mex said: except, there aren't two sides native Americans aren't complaining... the only ones I've ever seen complain are rich white liberals I live 300 yards from the Rez... I see Chiefs hats everywhere real native Americans aren't offended by the Kansas City Chiefs... they take pride as fans maybe you should right Clark..seems his advice givers are more worried about being PC than reality mex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 Is there anything on Hunt's side regarding a name change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, sith13 said: Is there anything on Hunt's side regarding a name change? no but there is undoubtedly some voices in his ear since the Redskins and now Indians have caved. Seems every couple of years there is some move to cancel the Chop or some stupid shit. To Clark's credit he says all the right things and meets with some natives to ty and smooth out the on coming troubles. Clark is not beholden to corporates like soo many teams but sooner or later he will either cave or tell those who are easily insulted to pound sand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, oldtimer said: no but there is undoubtedly some voices in his ear since the Redskins and now Indians have caved. Seems every couple of years there is some move to cancel the Chop or some stupid shit. To Clark's credit he says all the right things and meets with some natives to ty and smooth out the on coming troubles. Clark is not beholden to corporates like soo many teams but sooner or later he will either cave or tell those who are easily insulted to pound sand If the Native Americans decide the name must go I don't see Hunt doing much about it. However it's more of a praise to them IMO. Not sure if the chop will survive as there's always some rant about that but the name should be fine for a while. There has been a lot of sensitivity about the name Indians due to "not calling them as such" and Redskins was an issue from the beginning. I think the focus should be to iterate the distance between Chiefs and the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 6 hours ago, sith13 said: Not sure if the chop will survive don't get rid of the chop because some cunt is offended by it... get rid of it because it's stupid how's that for a flaming hot take... sith13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 7 hours ago, sith13 said: If the Native Americans decide the name must go I don't see Hunt doing much about it. However it's more of a praise to them IMO. Not sure if the chop will survive as there's always some rant about that but the name should be fine for a while. There has been a lot of sensitivity about the name Indians due to "not calling them as such" and Redskins was an issue from the beginning. I think the focus should be to iterate the distance between Chiefs and the others. not unless the Chiefs want to kick fans out for doing it .. never happen.. this year have "outlawed" headdresses and face paint.. that was bold lol sith13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 On 12/17/2020 at 3:14 PM, NCK Chiefs Fan said: Just to add a little bit to the etc, etc, I found that in the corporate world, there are over 60 titles with the word Chief in them, Military I found at least 12, the main one that come to mind are Master Chief, Chief Master Sergeant, Chief of the Boat, Crew Chief, Chief Warrant Officer, and I am sure many more So what the hell is wrong with the Team name Chiefs? Not A Damn Thing!!! Senior Chief, Chief, Command Master Chief, Chief Cook and Bottle Washer..... NCK Chiefs Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, KC Warpaint said: Senior Chief, Chief, Command Master Chief, Chief Cook and Bottle Washer..... and don't forget CMFIC Chief Motherfucker In Charge West 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,713 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 That's Maui..... seriously, the best logo in sports.... azchief21 and mex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 35 minutes ago, West said: That's Maui..... seriously, the best logo in sports.... absolutely. best colors, best logo, best franchise (except when we wear all red) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, mex said: (except when we wear all red) You shut your dirty whore mouth. The all reds rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, xen said: The all reds suck! yep xen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamixoye 604 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 I like the all reds for special occasions but it doesn't help we've had some bad losses in them. (I believe our all-time record is something like 7-5.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted December 19, 2020 Author Share Posted December 19, 2020 15 hours ago, mex said: absolutely. best colors, best logo, best franchise (except when we wear all red) Yeah, okay......Homer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Yeah, okay......Homer and damned proud of it. Kansas CityChiefs 3-0, 2-0 AWAY 34 Final 1 2 3 4 T KC 6 21 0 7 34 BAL 3 7 3 7 20 20 oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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