Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 7 hours ago, kkuenn said: Well they can't pay him either. They are in worse cap space than us and have a lot of players to sign. If they pay the LT I bet the LB is up then for FA. He would be sweet to get. The LB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, sith13 said: His cap hit is $19.7M. I would imagine a new deal would give us 10+ at this point, if not more. Right at 11 mill actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 15 hours ago, Balto said: Would much rather just sign Trent Williams as I'm sure Brown will be asking for Williams type money so why not just get a much better LT and not spend draft picks? NOW at RT..sure but doesn't seem he wants RT You do realize Zeus is a 2 time Pro Bowler? 1 at RT and 1 at LT? Three teams that should trade for Orlando Brown Jr. 3. Kansas City Chiefs What happens when an All-Pro quarterback plays without a right tackle, a left tackle and a right guard? Pure pain for four quarters. That was Patrick Mahomes‘ story on Sunday night against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers front seven in Super Bowl LV. The Buccaneers’ defensive line only picked up three sacks, but they tallied over nine pressures and made Mahomes run for his life. Eric Fisher could be a cap causality this offseason and Mitchell Schwartz might call it an early career. Both positions could be open next season should Kansas City move off Fisher and save $11.5 million. This would mean Kansas City would also have to cut ties with multiple players in the offseason just to secure Brown is not a rental option. So long as they keep their first-round pick, they should be set on the offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 16 hours ago, jetlord said: The Chiefs have a RB, maybe two. What they don't have is a line that can block for them. CEH did fine with minimal blocking. Even a Ravens' fan can see that. 1 game vs the Bills he was awesome. Blaming the line for everything seems to the latest fashion trend. As a 1sr rd pick, he was meh. Dobbins was better as a 2nd rd pick. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: 1 game vs the Bills he was awesome. Blaming the line for everything seems to the latest fashion trend. As a 1sr rd pick, he was meh. Dobbins was better as a 2nd rd pick. I think CEH would have been fine if he had not been thrown in as a starter right away, when damien williams opted out and since Darwin Thompson has not shown much the chiefs were left with no choice, the ravens had 3 capable backs and LJ to run the ball...so there was no pressure on Dobbins like there was for CEH in KC oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: 1 game vs the Bills he was awesome. Blaming the line for everything seems to the latest fashion trend. As a 1sr rd pick, he was meh. Dobbins was better as a 2nd rd pick. That's all because of the offensive styles, it's easy for us to say Hardman as a 2nd round pick has had much better value than your first round pick Hollywood Brown and we all aren't that big of a fan of Hardman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: You do realize Zeus is a 2 time Pro Bowler? 1 at RT and 1 at LT? Three teams that should trade for Orlando Brown Jr. 3. Kansas City Chiefs What happens when an All-Pro quarterback plays without a right tackle, a left tackle and a right guard? Pure pain for four quarters. That was Patrick Mahomes‘ story on Sunday night against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers front seven in Super Bowl LV. The Buccaneers’ defensive line only picked up three sacks, but they tallied over nine pressures and made Mahomes run for his life. Eric Fisher could be a cap causality this offseason and Mitchell Schwartz might call it an early career. Both positions could be open next season should Kansas City move off Fisher and save $11.5 million. This would mean Kansas City would also have to cut ties with multiple players in the offseason just to secure Brown is not a rental option. So long as they keep their first-round pick, they should be set on the offensive line. Yeah, I'm sure they would trade Brown to a team that they already have zero success against. Iluvhouse24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, SEMO said: Yeah, I'm sure they would trade Brown to a team that they already have zero success against. Probably want a first for him too. After the Frank Clark deal, I think we should be done trading firsts. Use that 1st on our own homegrown LT on a rookie deal, who isn't expecting a massive extension. jetlord and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 56 minutes ago, soonerborn77 said: That's all because of the offensive styles, it's easy for us to say Hardman as a 2nd round pick has had much better value than your first round pick Hollywood Brown and we all aren't that big of a fan of Hardman... "Offensive Styles"? Brown has more yards and TDs in run first offense than Hardman does in the most explosive offense in the NFL. Chiefs threw the ball 1206 times in 2019-20 Ravens threw the ball 792 times in 2019-20 Thats a difference of 414 passing attempts or approx 13 more times a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, KC Warpaint said: I think CEH would have been fine if he had not been thrown in as a starter right away, when damien williams opted out and since Darwin Thompson has not shown much the chiefs were left with no choice, the ravens had 3 capable backs and LJ to run the ball...so there was no pressure on Dobbins like there was for CEH in KC Pressure turns carbon into diamonds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Handswarmer said: You do realize Zeus is a 2 time Pro Bowler? 1 at RT and 1 at LT? Three teams that should trade for Orlando Brown Jr. 3. Kansas City Chiefs What happens when an All-Pro quarterback plays without a right tackle, a left tackle and a right guard? Pure pain for four quarters. That was Patrick Mahomes‘ story on Sunday night against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers front seven in Super Bowl LV. The Buccaneers’ defensive line only picked up three sacks, but they tallied over nine pressures and made Mahomes run for his life. Eric Fisher could be a cap causality this offseason and Mitchell Schwartz might call it an early career. Both positions could be open next season should Kansas City move off Fisher and save $11.5 million. This would mean Kansas City would also have to cut ties with multiple players in the offseason just to secure Brown is not a rental option. So long as they keep their first-round pick, they should be set on the offensive line. Again....why would we spend draft picks and maybe a player on Brown when we could get a better tackle by just signing him and give up zero draft pick or players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 32 minutes ago, Balto said: Again....why would we spend draft picks and maybe a player on Brown when we could get a better tackle by just signing him and give up zero draft pick or players? wHO DO YOU THINK IS BETTER AND AVAILABLE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 23 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: wHO DO YOU THINK IS BETTER AND AVAILABLE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: wHO DO YOU THINK IS BETTER AND AVAILABLE? Trent Williams Orlando Brown Jr. Will cost multiple draft picks and/or Players. Will also want a new contract that will cost as much as Williams. 2020 PFF: 76.4 Yes he is young and will only get better BUT is he better than Fisher? You keep saying that Brown is a Pro-Bowler but so is Fisher and only once Mahomes came to town. Trent Williams: Will be a UFA so can sign with any team he wants and the 9ers can not tag him. Yes I'm thinking he resigns with the 9ers OR even go to who ever overpays him BUT if reports are true that he wants to sign with a top team for a ring we might have a shot and should be on the phone with his agent! 2020 PFF: 91.9 Again...He will only cost money! Will not cost us draft picks or players! Seems pretty easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,598 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: The LB? Was thinking Fred Warner but I forgot he extended. Either way SF us up badly against the cap. They have some good talent there that won't be resigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Really? why are you against upgrading our LT spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Balto said: Trent Williams Orlando Brown Jr. Will cost multiple draft picks and/or Players. Will also want a new contract that will cost as much as Williams. 2020 PFF: 76.4 Yes he is young and will only get better BUT is he better than Fisher? You keep saying that Brown is a Pro-Bowler but so is Fisher and only once Mahomes came to town.H He is 24 yrs old- first round talent Trent Williams: Will be a UFA so can sign with any team he wants and the 9ers can not tag him. Yes I'm thinking he resigns with the 9ers OR even go to who ever overpays him BUT if reports are true that he wants to sign with a top team for a ring we might have a shot and should be on the phone with his agent! 2020 PFF: 91.9 Again...He will only cost money! Will not cost us draft picks or players! He is 32 years old- stop gap for what, 2 years tops? Seems pretty easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Balto said: Really? why are you against upgrading our LT spot? I'm not. I'm just giving you shit. I think its dangerous to pay someone at his age. He will be 33 before the season. I think drafting our LT is the right thing to do for the team and the cap. Handswarmer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 We don't really need much to dominate for the next decade. Just put the biggest meanest line in front of Mahomes and he'll take care of the rest. azchief21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 It would be nice to have a line containing a couple of all-pros, but it's not necessary. And they don't need the Roaf, Waters, Wegs, Shields, Tate line either. They just need to upgrade to an above average line to be an offensive powerhouse. Playing a couple of rookies this coming season might be painful to watch at times, but that's how the team has a chance to become a dynasty. It will come through the draft, managing cap space, and cutting vets even while their still popular and useful if their cost exceeds their production. I don't think the line will necessarily be rebuilt in one year. It has to be a longer term plan so bite the bullet, draft an OT in the first and IOL at least by the mid rounds, Forget about vets trying for the big payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Handswarmer said: 1 game vs the Bills he was awesome. Blaming the line for everything seems to the latest fashion trend. As a 1sr rd pick, he was meh. Dobbins was better as a 2nd rd pick. Maybe it's fashionable, but it's a fact. How many rushing titles would Jim Brown have made with this line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 seems the Steelers LT Villinueva is a FA..granted 32 but only 6 years in the league. He's solid probably wouldn't break the bank being an ex Army Ranger has its plus's in the toughness and leadership department. on a side note a guy that big jumping out of a perfectly good airplane is mind boggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Handswarmer said: 1 game vs the Bills he was awesome. Blaming the line for everything seems to the latest fashion trend. As a 1sr rd pick, he was meh. Dobbins was better as a 2nd rd pick. We played the entire season with 1 above average lineman in Fisher, and 1 young lineman who played above average at times, in Allegretti. Thats it. Our center is a decent pass blocker and a worthless run blocker. Our RT most of the year was a league minimum vet who no other team made an offer to. Our RG is one of the worst lineman I've ever seen get consistent playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2021/2/10/22276371/how-many-offensive-linemen-from-super-bowl-lv-will-be-on-next-years-chiefs-roster How many offensive linemen from Super Bowl LV will be on next year’s Chiefs roster? By Kent Swanson@kent_swanson Feb 10, 2021, 11:30am CST Center Austin Reiter — a starter for the vast majority of the year — is a free agent, and it remains to be seen how great his market is and if the Chiefs will be involved. If the number comes in low enough, you may see him return. Chiefs general manager Brett Veach may value some continuity with the question marks along the line. I would guess he does not return. Guard Andrew Wylie is a restricted free agent this season, and the Chiefs have the ability to retain him by tendering him a contract. The type of tender they place on him will tell us what they think about him. If they place an original-round tender — they’re essentially letting a team match or exceed their offer without any return, as he’s an undrafted free agent. If they place a second-round tender — they’re likely more intent on keeping him, as there would be compensation attached to him. I believe he’ll be back as a depth piece but will be replaced in the starting lineup. Nick Allegretti spent most of the year at left guard and will likely be back in Week 1 as an interior depth piece. The competition to maintain his spot should be more intense than you would guess, as there are several depth spots that could be competitive if Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif and Lucas Niang all return. He and Yasir Durant could be competing for opportunities to stick on the roster if the Chiefs value him at guard. Center Daniel Kilgore and guard Stefen Wisniewski are likely not back due to the return of healthy depth. The two in-season signings could be looking for an opportunity elsewhere. Do-it-all veteran Mike Remmers would be a valuable piece to return given his experience and inside/outside versatility. I hope the Chiefs bring him back — especially now having been in Andy Reid’s offense for a season. Martinas Rankin is a former top-100 selection who has shown promise in the past but has struggled to stay healthy. He was put behind the 8-ball with a pectoral injury that kept him from participating in camp. His first contact came midseason in practice — a tough task for someone to acclimate quickly enough to be relied upon. This is an important offseason for him — and he’ll need to play well so that he may earn a spot on next year’s roster. The talent is undeniable there — he just needs to stay healthy and have a full offseason. The Chiefs have only three of these players under contract — with Wylie (a restricted free agent) as the fourth. I could see four or five ending up on the Week 1 roster in 2021 — with perhaps not one of them starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonerborn77 276 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Handswarmer said: "Offensive Styles"? Brown has more yards and TDs in run first offense than Hardman does in the most explosive offense in the NFL. Chiefs threw the ball 1206 times in 2019-20 Ravens threw the ball 792 times in 2019-20 Thats a difference of 414 passing attempts or approx 13 more times a game. Hardman played 545 snaps in 2020 (don't know why you are using 2019-2020) and had 49 catches for 626 yards, Brown played 802 snaps and had 58 catches for 769 yards so I would hope your first round pick had 9 more catches and 143 more yards while playing 267 more snaps. CONGRATS! That's my point and why I brought it up with your comparison of CEH and Dobbins. Your first round pick didn't get as much value, or nowhere near close to our second round guy just like CEH didn't against Dobbins because say it with me, offensive styles.... Amazing how numbers can be manipulated.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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