Lamardirts 2,114 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I for one hope we don’t. I don’t love every aspect of his game but he’s dominant and is the only true consistent pass rusher on this team. However, if you could net a first and later pick while shedding the 20 million making room for another couple of FAs. My biggest issue is he doesn’t seem like a leader and his blaming the refs after the game over and over doesn’t seem like the kind of mentality that a tough defenses needs. Even though the refs did screw us. Veach designed his contract for this very possibility. Just curious what y’all’s thoughts are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 When you say "1st + later pick" how late is that pick? I wouldn't mind sending him for a relatively early 1st + a 2nd plus a decent but not great player in an area of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 if we could just get a top 15-20 pick out of him I'd be happy..yes he is dominate at times but he also has a punk streak in him that I dont like...personally too much Chester McGlockon in him for my liking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, oldtimer said: if we could just get a top 15-20 pick out of him I'd be happy..yes he is dominate at times but he also has a punk streak in him that I dont like...personally too much Chester McGlockon in him for my liking Players that can’t control themselves in the biggest moments are not the cerebral players that a dynasty needs to be built around. Again he is Uber talented but nabbing a top 15 pick and dumping that salary could help long term but only if you were able to get a stud DE opposite Frank and sign a guy like Watt. Again I’m curious if y’all think KC would pull the trigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 My thought is we already have enough holes to fill without creating another. He has pros/cons like anyone, but how many years did we strike out trying to draft a good DT? Can net us some picks, but there's this assumption the players we select will all be like Hill or Kelce and not KPass, Breeland Speaks, or Turk McBride. Focus on OL and DE at the top of the draft. Jones may be a next year problem at the earliest. Adamixoye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Wasn't there talk of trading Jones when the Colts grabber Buckner? There may not be that much of a market for him with his contract now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,780 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 His sack stats are a major downward trend. KC would be lucky to get a 2 or 3 for him. If he continues, he’d get like only 4 or 5 sacks next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Thegoatee said: His sack stats are a major downward trend. KC would be lucky to get a 2 or 3 for him. If he continues, he’d get like only 4 or 5 sacks next year. once again JMO here but Sacks are an over rated stat..IMO .. just good push and pressure can do as much if not more damage but he's no Aaron Donald getting AD $$ and that is not good value sith13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,780 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldtimer said: once again JMO her but Sacks are an over rated stat..IMO .. just good push and pressure can do as much if not more damage He probably had more slaps to the head for 15 yards than sacks. I am just saying, he was not game changing disruptive like 2018 this past year. And if he was so dominant, a pity Frank Clark couldn’t take advantage of the 1 on 1 matchups when CJ is doubled. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Biggjliv4 said: My thought is we already have enough holes to fill without creating another. He has pros/cons like anyone, but how many years did we strike out trying to draft a good DT? Can net us some picks, but there's this assumption the players we select will all be like Hill or Kelce and not KPass, Breeland Speaks, or Turk McBride. Focus on OL and DE at the top of the draft. Jones may be a next year problem at the earliest. I think you are right that this is a potential next year problem. We also were running up the score like in years past which gives less pass rush opportunities. With that said another edge rusher will help everyone on the dline. Hoping someone like Jaelan Phillips falls to us at 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 trading players is generally the same cap hit as cutting them, exceptions apply to the way contracts are worded. basically looks like jones in a chief next year no matter what and is then cuttable. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 38 minutes ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: trading players is generally the same cap hit as cutting them, exceptions apply to the way contracts are worded. basically looks like jones in a chief next year no matter what and is then cuttable. Not true. If Jones is cut YES there is zero cap savings and about $22M in dead money OUCH! BUT if he is traded we will actually save over $20M in cap and have very little dead money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 I guess it would save money, it it seems like a bad time to cut loose your best players for a first round crap shoot, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Balto said: Not true. If Jones is cut YES there is zero cap savings and about $22M in dead money OUCH! BUT if he is traded we will actually save over $20M in cap and have very little dead money. You’re right, chris jones signed a deal with no signing bonus so we save 20m if traded. looks like we can trade frank clark and save 5.4 mil. I would definitely see if there is a team out there to take clark off our hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 There's like 3 guys in the NFL capable of wrecking entire offensive gameplans from the interior DLine. Y'all are nuts and sacks aren't everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 4 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: You’re right, chris jones signed a deal with no signing bonus so we save 20m if traded. looks like we can trade frank clark and save 5.4 mil. I would definitely see if there is a team out there to take clark off our hands Between the 2 Clark would be the 1 to trade. Jones ya has his faults but the guy can still be a game wrecker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Neither are going anywhere. Add a DE in FA or the draft and fix that Oline and we will get back barring another year of crappy injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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