Balto 723 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Just how good is he? I’ve read that he grades out as a once in a decade type tackle but honestly haven’t paid much attention to him cause well we are draft at #31. BUT most mocks have him going #5 to the Bengals but with them just signing Reiff maybe they pass? That would mean maybe look at trading up? How about this? Eagles #6 pick, WR need and most mocks have them drafting one at #6: Eagles get: #31 2022 1st Hardman, WR Chiefs get: #6 for Sewell, OT Thoughts on Sewell’s overall talent and how good he really is compared to the best in the NFL and the rest of the tackles in the draft? Also, thoughts on trading up to get him to finish up our OL? I mean is trading up to get our biggest need taken care of with rookie pay scale really that bad of an idea? Looks great! Sewell Thuney Allegretti or 2nd round pick Long Niang or Schwartz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 He definitely seems like a generational OT prospect but I don't like trading up for any position other than a QB. I'm fine with giving up a late pick to move up a couple spots if the staff is really high on a player but that's it. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Add in another first and you might get that done. I wouldn't say he's that much better than some of the other tackles that could be had but he is the best LT prospect in this draft. Almost never worth it to trade that much for anything other than a QB. But if we're dreaming I'd trade up for Kyle Pitts and take my chances with a later tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 It'll take more than that to move up to #6. I also like Slater better. There are questions about who has Sewell played and Slater has similar measurables and has played against way better talent. We might be able to swing that for your offer but as much as I don't love Hardman he is weapon for this team and we don't have a ton of wr options at the moment. To be honest I don't want to trade future picks. We got ourselves in this mess and we have to stop overpaying to get out of it. Scout the tackles well and if you need to move up in the twenties then so be it but this is the perfect draft to let your scouts save you. Draft your future LT at 31 and sign a veteran to battle it out with him. We will need that first-rounder next year as Hitchens, Kyle Long, Ward, and whoever else Veach signs to start this year on a one-year deal will be gone. Had Tyreek Hill, Kelce, Williams all caught passes from Mahomes in the SB there was a chance we could have won that SB with the worst line in possibly NFL history. LT is important but if that is the only position that is slightly under par then we will be fine. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 Wow and he is only 20! Mahomes would have him for his entire career! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, xen said: Add in another first and you might get that done. I wouldn't say he's that much better than some of the other tackles that could be had but he is the best LT prospect in this draft. Almost never worth it to trade that much for anything other than a QB. But if we're dreaming I'd trade up for Kyle Pitts and take my chances with a later tackle. I think Pitts is far more of a generational talent than Sewell but you are right trading 3 first-rounders to grab an OT is stupid. This draft is loaded with tackle talent and its up to our scouting department to find the best one where we will be drafting. Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker, Mayfield, Jenkins, Cosmi, Liechenburg (sp), Radunz, Brown, Christensen (who is talented sleeper), and Walker. There are 12 potential LT prospects that could have 1st round grades. I dare say 6-7 will be available at 31. While Trent Williams is amazing we don't need an all pro at LT to win Super Bowls we need avg to above avg LT to win and we can find one of those at 31. sith13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: I think Pitts is far more of a generational talent than Sewell but you are right trading 3 first-rounders to grab an OT is stupid. This draft is loaded with tackle talent and its up to our scouting department to find the best one where we will be drafting. Darrisaw, Vera-Tucker, Mayfield, Jenkins, Cosmi, Liechenburg (sp), Radunz, Brown, Christensen (who is talented sleeper), and Walker. There are 12 potential LT prospects that could have 1st round grades. I dare say 6-7 will be available at 31. While Trent Williams is amazing we don't need an all pro at LT to win Super Bowls we need avg to above avg LT to win and we can find one of those at 31. Absolutely, teams don't win SBs with stars in a few positions but rather above average players in as many positions as possible. Can't put all our eggs in a single basket. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 47 minutes ago, Balto said: Just how good is he? I’ve read that he grades out as a once in a decade type tackle but honestly haven’t paid much attention to him cause well we are draft at #31. BUT most mocks have him going #5 to the Bengals but with them just signing Reiff maybe they pass? That would mean maybe look at trading up? How about this? Eagles #6 pick, WR need and most mocks have them drafting one at #6: Eagles get: #31 2022 1st Hardman, WR Chiefs get: #6 for Sewell, OT Thoughts on Sewell’s overall talent and how good he really is compared to the best in the NFL and the rest of the tackles in the draft? Also, thoughts on trading up to get him to finish up our OL? I mean is trading up to get our biggest need taken care of with rookie pay scale really that bad of an idea? Looks great! Sewell Thuney Allegretti or 2nd round pick Long Niang or Schwartz NO mex and oldtimer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 No way Philly would go for this The Chiefs first round pick is really like an early second and Hardman isn't that special. Neither should the Chiefs try such a deal. Trading away the future for one position when there's plenty of other choices at that position would be crazy. The Chiefs need to trade down, if they can, to fill more holes with top 100 talent from the draft and have more starters in the near future on rookie contracts. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgar 1,046 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 you think hardman is worth a 1st and a 2nd? 2 1sts, and a 2nd would be the minimum it would take, and with our picks being in the 30s.. they really count as 2nds.. no way we get to 6th with hardman and next years 1st to trade from 6 to 31.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, robgar said: you think hardman is worth a 1st and a 2nd? 2 1sts, and a 2nd would be the minimum it would take, and with our picks being in the 30s.. they really count as 2nds.. no way we get to 6th with hardman and next years 1st to trade from 6 to 31.. Just going by the trade chart and only giving Hardman a fair 2nd round value. #31: 600 value 2022 late 1st pick: 600 value Hardman: 400 value, equal to the #50 pick which is middle of the 2nd total: 1600 value #6 pick: 1600 value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Balto said: Just going by the trade chart and only giving Hardman a fair 2nd round value. #31: 600 value 2022 late 1st pick: 600 value Hardman: 400 value, equal to the #50 pick which is middle of the 2nd total: 1600 value #6 pick: 1600 value Why would anyone give Hardman a 2nd round value? His value is closer to a conditional 7th than a 2nd at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 hours ago, sith13 said: Why would anyone give Hardman a 2nd round value? His value is closer to a conditional 7th than a 2nd at this point. That’s just objectively not true. Hell, Kadarius Toney is more of a gadget player than Mecole and he'll go by the second round at the latest. Teams want speed even if they have to scheme up touches. Now is he worth a second? Doubt it. But he's closer to that than a conditional 7th. mex, Joe_Chief and AFCWEST 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, xen said: That’s just objectively not true. Hell, Kadarius Toney is more of a gadget player than Mecole and he'll go by the second round at the latest. Teams want speed even if they have to scheme up touches. Now is he worth a second? Doubt it. But he's closer to that than a conditional 7th. most mocks I have seen have Toney going late 1rst round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, xen said: That’s just objectively not true. Hell, Kadarius Toney is more of a gadget player than Mecole and he'll go by the second round at the latest. Teams want speed even if they have to scheme up touches. Now is he worth a second? Doubt it. But he's closer to that than a conditional 7th. Thanks Xen....I think.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, xen said: That’s just objectively not true. Hell, Kadarius Toney is more of a gadget player than Mecole and he'll go by the second round at the latest. Teams want speed even if they have to scheme up touches. Now is he worth a second? Doubt it. But he's closer to that than a conditional 7th. Prospects are always more valuable than players on the field as the potential is very juicy. Hardman's potential far exceeds his output and the same is true for Toney just like it was for a guy like Lockett. However at this point in the season teams don't go ahead and spend picks on players that have been around a while without realizing their potential. We got Ogbah for pretty much nothing and Ragland was a future 4th. Even proven vets don't warrant high picks unless they are stars so I don't think Hardman's current trade value would be closer to 2nd than a 7th but that's just a statement per his output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Realistically i think hardman has 5th round value sith13, AFCWEST and oldtimer 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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