KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 4 hours ago, DieHard said: If he stays healthy, you got a good one. maybe their Training Staff knows how to keep him out of the tub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 19 hours ago, Calichief said: When he’s right, he can be elite Thats what I keep reading. Solid no 2 with polished route running ability coupled with the ability to fight for the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Thats what I keep reading. Solid no 2 with polished route running ability coupled with the ability to fight for the ball. You have been pretty down on Watkins for a long time. Glad to see you are coming around on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 19 hours ago, DieHard said: If he stays healthy, you got a good one. People are tweeting video about how he was valuable to Mahomes in the scramble drill, always shaking free and working back to the LOS. If he can stay healthy, LJ8 won't have to just take off when the pocket collapses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, reesebobby said: You have been pretty down on Watkins for a long time. Glad to see you are coming around on him. He will be down on him soon enough when he plays in 6 games this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Just now, Handswarmer said: People are tweeting video about how he was valuable to Mahomes in the scramble drill, always shaking free and working back to the LOS. If he can stay healthy, LJ8 won't have to just take off when the pocket collapses. But will he keep scanning to throw? Palangi and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, reesebobby said: You have been pretty down on Watkins for a long time. Glad to see you are coming around on him. Only been down on his inability stay healthy as him not being worth that contarct.... Been pretty consistent on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,713 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Best Wishes to Sammy! w mex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 minute ago, kkuenn said: But will he keep scanning to throw? LJ has never really had a reliable underneath presence. But there are plays where he sees 30 yds of green and just scoots. For as elusive as he is, he took 29 sacks last year. A lot of that was the loss of Stanley at LT and the weakness at C, RG and RT (since Brown moved over to LT). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, kkuenn said: He will be down on him soon enough when he plays in 6 games this year. Yes I will, its a 1 yr $6 mill so 6 games would be $1 mill per game....thats ARod (the baseball player) territory.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: LJ has never really had a reliable underneath presence. But there are plays where he sees 30 yds of green and just scoots. For as elusive as he is, he took 29 sacks last year. A lot of that was the loss of Stanley at LT and the weakness at C, RG and RT (since Brown moved over to LT). Baltimore fans have every excuse in the book for Jackson. No underneath presence? Mark Andrews? Hayden Hurst? Goes to Atlanta and has more catches, yards, and TDs than his previous 2 years in Baltimore. Those are good TEs too run underneath routes. They drafted a 6'4" 220 lb WR in Boykin. At what point do Raven fans stop blaming everyone else and start looking at their WR trying to play QB? ChiefThunder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefThunder 153 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Palangi said: Baltimore fans have every excuse in the book for Jackson. No underneath presence? Mark Andrews? Hayden Hurst? Goes to Atlanta and has more catches, yards, and TDs than his previous 2 years in Baltimore. Those are good TEs too run underneath routes. They drafted a 6'4" 220 lb WR in Boykin. At what point do Raven fans stop blaming everyone else and start looking at their WR trying to play QB? Exactly. Blame the OC for implementing a basic passing game where seams and fades are the norm haha. Yet...turn around and blame the WR's for not getting open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 23 hours ago, Palangi said: Baltimore fans have every excuse in the book for Jackson. No underneath presence? Mark Andrews? Hayden Hurst? Goes to Atlanta and has more catches, yards, and TDs than his previous 2 years in Baltimore. Those are good TEs too run underneath routes. They drafted a 6'4" 220 lb WR in Boykin. At what point do Raven fans stop blaming everyone else and start looking at their WR trying to play QB? Says the guy who never watches any other games except his own teams Andrews stretches the field like Kelce does Hurst wanted out because they don't throw the ball as much- he was drafted when Flacco was the starting QB, not LJ Boykin has not been a reliable target. Palangi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: Says the guy who never watches any other games except his own teams Andrews stretches the field like Kelce does Hurst wanted out because they don't throw the ball as much- he was drafted when Flacco was the starting QB, not LJ Boykin has not been a reliable target. Huh... how you know? And keep covering for your WR/QB. It's everyone else fault. We get it raven's fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 lol bmore doesn't have an underneath presence. That's rich. What they don't have is a qb that can throw the ball. Agree, just more excuses for LJ. oldtimer and Biggjliv4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 33 minutes ago, xen said: lol bmore doesn't have an underneath presence. That's rich. What they don't have is a qb that can throw the ball. Agree, just more excuses for LJ. Because the offense doesn't throw for 5,000 yds it means he can't pass? Last time I check, points win games, not yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 32 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Because the offense doesn't throw for 5,000 yds it means he can't pass? Last time I check, points win games, not yards. And elite QBs not WRs trying to play QB win super bowls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 45 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Because the offense doesn't throw for 5,000 yds it means he can't pass? Last time I check, points win games, not yards. If your goal is to win regular season games by all means. If your goal is to win championships you have to go toe to toe with teams with great passing games. Palangi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Handswarmer said: Because the offense doesn't throw for 5,000 yds it means he can't pass? Last time I check, points win games, not yards. Yes and no. When you score 42 against a bad team and only 14 against a good team...... I mean some of the competition last year you put up mad points against were very bad teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 If Sammy could stay healthy he would be a great receiver. He may be nutty as a loondog but the guy has tons of talent, plays hard and does all the little things very well. Great routes too. But man that guy is made of glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/28/2021 at 3:54 PM, Calichief said: When he’s right, he can be elite Me, too. sith13 and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 13 hours ago, xen said: If your goal is to win regular season games by all means. If your goal is to win championships you have to go toe to toe with teams with great passing games. that is the defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 13 hours ago, Palangi said: And elite QBs not WRs trying to play QB win super bowls Trent Dilfer was elite? Rob Johnson was elite? Eli Manning was elite? Peyton Manning, when he won with Denver, was elite? Thanks for telling me Joe Flacco was elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Handswarmer said: that is the defense Weird way to describe LJ but they both are equally adroit at passing so I accept the comparison. SEMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Handswarmer said: Trent Dilfer was elite? Rob Johnson was elite? Eli Manning was elite? Peyton Manning, when he won with Denver, was elite? Thanks for telling me Joe Flacco was elite. Peyton was always elite, he no longer had the arm strength but an elite QB doesn't always need an elite arm to win as he showed. The rest are basically exceptions which are always possible, when the rest of the team is great some QBs can win the SB but that doesn't change the generalization that you need an elite QB to win as that's the most likely scenario. Keep in mind that Garoppolo was very close to winning one in 2020 and Brady almost lost to the Washington QB nobody ever heard of on his way, etc. I think Flacco was another product of a solid team. He didn't throw interceptions because the team didn't have to rely on him to get out of some tough situations. He's still better than Cassel or Croyle but there were quite a few QBs that are much better than Flacco without a SB win. Realistically I would say Flacco is better than any past Chiefs QB of this millenium other than Green and may be Smith, but he's definitely not an elite QB. LJ is a weird case, he's a great athlete but not sure about him as a QB. Can't rely on his arm to dig a team out of a hole or even trust his athleticism against a solid defense when it really matters. He can win games as he has proven with a decent team around him but when he has to actually lead a team LJ seems to turn into Cassel. That being said I think he deserves to be the highest paid QB of all time, should get more than Mahomes. Palangi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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