Lamardirts 2,114 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 43 minutes ago, sith13 said: Peyton was always elite, he no longer had the arm strength but an elite QB doesn't always need an elite arm to win as he showed. The rest are basically exceptions which are always possible, when the rest of the team is great some QBs can win the SB but that doesn't change the generalization that you need an elite QB to win as that's the most likely scenario. Keep in mind that Garoppolo was very close to winning one in 2020 and Brady almost lost to the Washington QB nobody ever heard of on his way, etc. I think Flacco was another product of a solid team. He didn't throw interceptions because the team didn't have to rely on him to get out of some tough situations. He's still better than Cassel or Croyle but there were quite a few QBs that are much better than Flacco without a SB win. Realistically I would say Flacco is better than any past Chiefs QB of this millenium other than Green and may be Smith, but he's definitely not an elite QB. LJ is a weird case, he's a great athlete but not sure about him as a QB. Can't rely on his arm to dig a team out of a hole or even trust his athleticism against a solid defense when it really matters. He can win games as he has proven with a decent team around him but when he has to actually lead a team LJ seems to turn into Cassel. That being said I think he deserves to be the highest paid QB of all time, should get more than Mahomes. Peyton was far from elite that last SB. Sure cerebrally he was elite but he was a huge liability. He played in 10 games and had 9TD/17INT. They had an elite D similar to those Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, xen said: Weird way to describe LJ but they both are equally adroit at passing so I accept the comparison. You deliberately misunderstood. xen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 15 hours ago, kkuenn said: Yes and no. When you score 42 against a bad team and only 14 against a good team...... I mean some of the competition last year you put up mad points against were very bad teams. Ravens went 4-4 vs playoff teams (two of which were Divisional opponents) and scored 222 points vs 186 given up. The Ravens had the best Point differential in the NFL last year (165 points diff) Avg 29.3 pts for vs 18.9 given up. Average margin of loss was 8.2 pts. Largest loss was by 14. Avg scoring vs playoff teams was 27.5 for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 2:38 PM, Palangi said: Baltimore fans have every excuse in the book for Jackson. What were all the excuses for Mahomes in the Super Bowl? Oline? Drops? Refs? Andy Reid Playcalling? AR lack of adjustments? All of these have been detailed here but not one person said Mahomes had a bad game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 15 hours ago, xen said: If Sammy could stay healthy he would be a great receiver. He may be nutty as a loondog but the guy has tons of talent, plays hard and does all the little things very well. Great routes too. But man that guy is made of glass. This is my exact thought about him. I tried to find out if his injuries were non-contact or contact and it appears the majority are of the non-contact type. That said if we get 50 rec for 500+ yds and 4 Tds, I think it would be a success and good FA signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,598 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: Ravens went 4-4 vs playoff teams (two of which were Divisional opponents) and scored 222 points vs 186 given up. The Ravens had the best Point differential in the NFL last year (165 points diff) Avg 29.3 pts for vs 18.9 given up. Average margin of loss was 8.2 pts. Largest loss was by 14. Avg scoring vs playoff teams was 27.5 for And this got you to where in the playoffs? Just saying, scoring points matter, but you should do so more often then .500 winning percentage if you want to go somewhere with it. So if they scored so well against playoff teams, they must have failed then elsewhere? The scored 20 against the Titans, well below the average you stated above and only 3 points against the Bills in their loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,598 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: This is my exact thought about him. I tried to find out if his injuries were non-contact or contact and it appears the majority are of the non-contact type. That said if we get 50 rec for 500+ yds and 4 Tds, I think it would be a success and good FA signing Thing is, you may get most of these stats in one game. Say a 180 yard, 3 td game and the rest is just icing on the cake. 6 million is to much but for a team needing something and willing to gamble, it was the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 24 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: What were all the excuses for Mahomes in the Super Bowl? Oline? Drops? Refs? Andy Reid Playcalling? AR lack of adjustments? All of these have been detailed here but not one person said Mahomes had a bad game. Difference is Mahomes has already proven he can dominate in the playoffs. When LJ gonna do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, xen said: Difference is Mahomes has already proven he can dominate in the playoffs. When LJ gonna do that? You missed the point- it wasn't about Mahomes- it was about the team around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, kkuenn said: And this got you to where in the playoffs? Just saying, scoring points matter, but you should do so more often then .500 winning percentage if you want to go somewhere with it. So if they scored so well against playoff teams, they must have failed then elsewhere? The scored 20 against the Titans, well below the average you stated above and only 3 points against the Bills in their loss. Well below? 9 pts below. Still won. On the road. In the playoffs 3 against the Bills- who scored 10 (7 was off a LJ INT- his first in the Red ZOne in his career) The CHiefs scored well below their average in the Super Bowl loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, kkuenn said: Thing is, you may get most of these stats in one game. Say a 180 yard, 3 td game and the rest is just icing on the cake. 6 million is to much but for a team needing something and willing to gamble, it was the right price. This is true but I hope it does not occur in 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 49 minutes ago, Handswarmer said: You missed the point- it wasn't about Mahomes- it was about the team around him. Your post was about mahomes. You were listing all the excuses people gave for him. I think you missed your own point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,598 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Handswarmer said: Well below? 9 pts below. Still won. On the road. In the playoffs 3 against the Bills- who scored 10 (7 was off a LJ INT- his first in the Red ZOne in his career) The CHiefs scored well below their average in the Super Bowl loss. Yes, but it was again, in the SB and the first time we lost by more than one score during Mahomes era. More of an abnormality at this point then what we see usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I think a lot of this argument has to do with pass defense. When Mahomes is ahead late, the opponent has to pass to catch up. The same is true for LJ, but with a better pass defense, the Ravens will intercept more of those attempts and turn them into points. So, the point differential would be greater. I'm just speculating, but it is possible that the difference could be more about the pass rush and the secondary. Also, Reid tends to be more conservative with a lead and milks the clock rather than run up the score. I would rather see him try to run up the score more, but you can't argue much with a 15-1 record and two consecutive SB appearances and God knows how many division championships. i just wish Reid would put the hammer down more, even though it makes other teams mad enough to be more aggressive the next time they play us. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 12 hours ago, Handswarmer said: What were all the excuses for Mahomes in the Super Bowl? Oline? Drops? Refs? Andy Reid Playcalling? AR lack of adjustments? All of these have been detailed here but not one person said Mahomes had a bad game. Keep trying. It's really cute to watch you scramble. Trying to think of anything you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 9 hours ago, xen said: Your post was about mahomes. You were listing all the excuses people gave for him. I think you missed your own point. There is a real surprise. When your trolling (and allowed to) you get going in all kinds of circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 17 hours ago, xen said: Your post was about mahomes. You were listing all the excuses people gave for him. I think you missed your own point. "SUBTLE" My post was about all the excuses given but no one blamed Mahomes. How is that missing my own point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 16 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said: I think a lot of this argument has to do with pass defense. When Mahomes is ahead late, the opponent has to pass to catch up. The same is true for LJ, but with a better pass defense, the Ravens will intercept more of those attempts and turn them into points. So, the point differential would be greater. I'm just speculating, but it is possible that the difference could be more about the pass rush and the secondary. Also, Reid tends to be more conservative with a lead and milks the clock rather than run up the score. I would rather see him try to run up the score more, but you can't argue much with a 15-1 record and two consecutive SB appearances and God knows how many division championships. i just wish Reid would put the hammer down more, even though it makes other teams mad enough to be more aggressive the next time they play us. Chiefs and Ravens had same number of takeaways- 22. Cheifs actually had more INTS 16 Ravens had more Fumble recoveries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Handswarmer said: Chiefs and Ravens had same number of takeaways- 22. Cheifs actually had more INTS 16 Ravens had more Fumble recoveries. So much for my idea LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 21 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said: So much for my idea LOL Actually it made your point vs the Chiefs Not so much vs the Ravens though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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