xen 1,010,220 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-comparing-patrick-mahomes-and-josh-allen-contracts-making-them-nfls-highest-paid-players/ Agent's Take: Comparing Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen contracts, making them NFL's highest-paid players Joel Corry Aug 11, 2021 at 3:10 pm ET7 min read The Chiefs and the Bills have the best and second-best odds to represent the AFC in Super Bowl LVI. Their starting quarterbacks are the NFL's two highest-paid players. Patrick Mahomes landed the most lucrative contract in American team sports history last July. The Super Bowl LIV MVP received a 10-year, $450 million contract extension from the Chiefs worth up to $475 million with incentives. Josh Allen signed a six-year, $258 million extension worth a maximum of $288 million through incentives with the Bills last week. Mahomes becoming the NFL's highest-paid player was expected. The enormity of the contract took practically everybody by surprise. Extremely long quarterback deals had fallen out of favor around the league by the middle of the 2000s. The latter years of lengthy NFL contracts are essentially a series of one-year options where teams can release players when it best suits them. Mahomes has protections that aren't usually in the later years of deals. A significant amount of Mahomes' compensation in these years is in unsecured March roster bonuses that become fully guaranteed at least one year early. For example, Mahomes' 2027 compensation consists of a $10 million base salary, a $49.4 million third day of the league roster bonus and a $550,000 workout bonus. The $49.4 million roster bonus becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2026 league year. The base salary and workout bonus are fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2027 league year. The Chiefs would have to buy Mahomes out for $49.4 million to exit his deal in 2027 before the remaining $10.55 million became secure. The expectation was for Allen to follow the recent trend of high-end quarterback contracts, besides Mahomes', by giving up four new years. First-round picks Jared Goff, Deshaun Watson and Carson Wentz, who had two years remaining on their rookie contracts, signed four-year extensions. Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson committed to four new years in their 2018 and 2019 extensions. Dak Prescott signed a four-year deal this past March. Allen borrowed the concept of unsecured money in the later years becoming guaranteed a year early from Mahomes. For instance, Allen's $14 million 2027 base salary and $25 million fifth day of the 2027 league year roster bonus are fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the 2026 league year. The next to last year of Allen's contract is in 2027. The devil is in the details with NFL contracts since the deals aren't fully guaranteed like in the NBA and MLB. The chart below summarizes the two quarterbacks' contracts and compares the common years of the deals. A direct comparison can be made because the two first-round picks both had two years left on their rookie contracts when signing their current deals. In the comparison, Mahomes' first new year is 2022 while Allen's is 2023 since the Chiefs signal-caller was drafted a year earlier in 2017. The comparison is quite revealing. Notes: New money and cash flow are cumulative amounts; Allen's $2,618,595 third day of training camp roster bonus is only included in cash-flow calculations There's a big disparity in the amount fully guaranteed at signing. Allen has the most ever fully guaranteed in an NFL contract. It was widely reported that he had $100 million fully guaranteed at signing and $150 million of overall guarantees. That's only true if Allen's $2,618,595 third day of training camp roster bonus, which was earned on July 29, is included in these totals. Nine players, including Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa and Titans wide receiver Julio Jones, had more fully guaranteed at signing than Mahomes. The total guarantees are much closer. Allen replaced Mahomes as having the most total guarantees in an NFL contract. Money completely unsecured, that becomes fully guaranteed at a later date, is not considered in the total guarantees calculations. Mahomes trails Allen at every juncture in new money despite his extension averaging $2 million more per year. This is because Mahomes' contract is backloaded. High-end NFL contracts are usually frontloaded because of the lack of full guarantees. With Mahomes' deal, 43.9% of new money is in the first five new contract years (2022 through 2026) while $252.25 million of the $450 million (56.1%) is in the final five new years for an average of $50.45 million per year. In a neutral deal, one that's neither frontloaded or backloaded, 50% of Mahomes' new money or $225 million would be in the first five new years. Allen's deal is structured more conventionally. At the halfway point of his extension (after the first three new years), Allen has 53.47% of his new money. Allen is the new NFL standard after the first three, first four and first five new years. At each of these respective points Allen's extension averages $45,981,802, $44,111,351 and $43,289,081 per year. Obviously, beating Mahomes after six new years was a necessity for Allen's camp considering his extension averages $50,000 more per year. There's a pretty big gap in cash flow favoring Allen until the sixth new year. In fact Allen's cash through two years is nearly $4 million more than Mahomes' after three years. Mahomes barely tops Allen in cash flow at this point thanks to making $59.95 million in 2027. Something I always look at with players who are or would have been legitimate franchise tag candidates is how their actual deals compare to playing the franchise tag game. If Mahomes had played out his rookie contract, he would have made $27,631,905 in 2020 and 2021. The Chiefs would have put an exclusive franchise tag on Mahomes in 2022 absent a long-term deal. The 2022 quarterback exclusive franchise number, which would be the average of the top five 2022 quarterback salaries (usually salary cap numbers) at the end of 2022 restricted free agent signing period on April 22, currently projects to $43.661 million. This number is subject to change depending on new quarterback deals, contract restructures, pay cuts and/or releases over the next several months. Mahomes would have made in the neighborhood of $71 million starting to go year to year depending on where the actual 2022 franchise number was finalized as opposed to the just over $63 million in his actual contract. A second franchise tag in 2023 at an NFL collective bargaining agreement-mandated 20% increase over Mahomes' projected 2022 franchise number would be $52,393,200. Mahomes would be approximately $20 million ahead by continuing to play the franchise tag game. The franchise tag game is a different story for Allen. Had Allen played out his contract, he would have made $26,554,595. He would have gotten an exclusive franchise tag in 2023, which currently projects to $43.001 million. As in Mahomes' case, this number is also subject to change depending on developments in the quarterback market. Allen would have made approximately $69.5 million going year to year with a 2023 franchise under the current projections. He is essentially $25.5 million better off under his new deal than playing on the franchise tag for one year primarily because of a $42.4 million option bonus, which is the largest in NFL history, he will receive in 2022. Allen would still be ahead under his new deal by about $4 million after two franchise tags in 2022 and 2023. An option bonus is essentially an additional signing bonus that's usually paid in the second or third year of a contract to exercise later years in the deal. Since an option bonus is given the same treatment on the salary cap as signing bonus, it is also prorated or evenly spread out over the life of a contract for a maximum of five years. The Bills will pay the $42.4 million bonus to exercise the option on Allen's 2028 contract year. Otherwise Allen's 2022 base salary is a fully guaranteed $46.5 million with a $50,292,281 salary cap number instead of $16,372,281. Allen's 2022 base salary reduces to a fully guaranteed $4.1 million when the option is exercised. The Bills also used this signing/option bonus structure with offensive tackle Dion Dawkins and cornerback Tre'Davious White's extensions last year. Neither player is in the best position to maximize career earnings with the choices in contract length. Trying to maximize career earnings was a primary reason why Prescott and the Cowboys were unable to reach an agreement last summer when he was initially given a franchise tag. Prescott wanted a four-year deal so he would be able to take advantage of the salary cap exploding in the coming years thanks to new media-rights deals, reportedly worth $113 billion over 11 years and an influx of gambling revenue while the Cowboys were insisting on a longer term. Most likely, the Bills will attempt to extend Allen's deal in 2028 when he is heading into his contract year. Allen would need to sign a four-year, $192 million extension averaging $48 million per year in 2028 to match Mahomes' $450 million of new money over 10 new years. Seven years from now, there could be multiple quarterbacks with contracts averaging $50 million per year or more. Mahomes' saving grace may be that his contract is renegotiated at some point in the latter half when it will surely become outdated by quarterback salary standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aug 11, 2021 at 3:10 pm ET7 min read The Chiefs and the Bills have the best and second-best odds to represent the AFC in Super Bowl LVI. Their starting quarterbacks are the NFL's two highest-paid players. Patrick Mahomes landed the most lucrative contract in American team sports history last July. The Super Bowl LIV MVP received a 10-year, $450 million contract extension from the Chiefs worth up to $475 million with incentives. Josh Allen signed a six-year, $258 million extension worth a maximum of $288 million through incentives with the Bills last week. Mahomes becoming the NFL's highest-paid player was expected. The enormity of the contract took practically everybody by surprise. Extremely long quarterback deals had fallen out of favor around the league by the middle of the 2000s. The latter years of lengthy NFL contracts are essentially a series of one-year options where teams can release players when it best suits them. Mahomes has protections that aren't usually in the later years of deals. A significant amount of Mahomes' compensation in these years is in unsecured March roster bonuses that become fully guaranteed at least one year early. For example, Mahomes' 2027 compensation consists of a $10 million base salary, a $49.4 million third day of the league roster bonus and a $550,000 workout bonus. The $49.4 million roster bonus becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2026 league year. The base salary and workout bonus are fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2027 league year. The Chiefs would have to buy Mahomes out for $49.4 million to exit his deal in 2027 before the remaining $10.55 million became secure. The expectation was for Allen to follow the recent trend of high-end quarterback contracts, besides Mahomes', by giving up four new years. First-round picks Jared Goff, Deshaun Watson and Carson Wentz, who had two years remaining on their rookie contracts, signed four-year extensions. Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson committed to four new years in their 2018 and 2019 extensions. Dak Prescott signed a four-year deal this past March. Allen borrowed the concept of unsecured money in the later years becoming guaranteed a year early from Mahomes. For instance, Allen's $14 million 2027 base salary and $25 million fifth day of the 2027 league year roster bonus are fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the 2026 league year. The next to last year of Allen's contract is in 2027. The devil is in the details with NFL contracts since the deals aren't fully guaranteed like in the NBA and MLB. The chart below summarizes the two quarterbacks' contracts and compares the common years of the deals. A direct comparison can be made because the two first-round picks both had two years left on their rookie contracts when signing their current deals. In the comparison, Mahomes' first new year is 2022 while Allen's is 2023 since the Chiefs signal-caller was drafted a year earlier in 2017. The comparison is quite revealing. Notes: New money and cash flow are cumulative amounts; Allen's $2,618,595 third day of training camp roster bonus is only included in cash-flow calculations There's a big disparity in the amount fully guaranteed at signing. Allen has the most ever fully guaranteed in an NFL contract. It was widely reported that he had $100 million fully guaranteed at signing and $150 million of overall guarantees. That's only true if Allen's $2,618,595 third day of training camp roster bonus, which was earned on July 29, is included in these totals. Nine players, including Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa and Titans wide receiver Julio Jones, had more fully guaranteed at signing than Mahomes. The total guarantees are much closer. Allen replaced Mahomes as having the most total guarantees in an NFL contract. Money completely unsecured, that becomes fully guaranteed at a later date, is not considered in the total guarantees calculations. Mahomes trails Allen at every juncture in new money despite his extension averaging $2 million more per year. This is because Mahomes' contract is backloaded. High-end NFL contracts are usually frontloaded because of the lack of full guarantees. With Mahomes' deal, 43.9% of new money is in the first five new contract years (2022 through 2026) while $252.25 million of the $450 million (56.1%) is in the final five new years for an average of $50.45 million per year. In a neutral deal, one that's neither frontloaded or backloaded, 50% of Mahomes' new money or $225 million would be in the first five new years. Allen's deal is structured more conventionally. At the halfway point of his extension (after the first three new years), Allen has 53.47% of his new money. Allen is the new NFL standard after the first three, first four and first five new years. At each of these respective points Allen's extension averages $45,981,802, $44,111,351 and $43,289,081 per year. Obviously, beating Mahomes after six new years was a necessity for Allen's camp considering his extension averages $50,000 more per year. There's a pretty big gap in cash flow favoring Allen until the sixth new year. In fact Allen's cash through two years is nearly $4 million more than Mahomes' after three years. Mahomes barely tops Allen in cash flow at this point thanks to making $59.95 million in 2027. Something I always look at with players who are or would have been legitimate franchise tag candidates is how their actual deals compare to playing the franchise tag game. If Mahomes had played out his rookie contract, he would have made $27,631,905 in 2020 and 2021. The Chiefs would have put an exclusive franchise tag on Mahomes in 2022 absent a long-term deal. The 2022 quarterback exclusive franchise number, which would be the average of the top five 2022 quarterback salaries (usually salary cap numbers) at the end of 2022 restricted free agent signing period on April 22, currently projects to $43.661 million. This number is subject to change depending on new quarterback deals, contract restructures, pay cuts and/or releases over the next several months. Mahomes would have made in the neighborhood of $71 million starting to go year to year depending on where the actual 2022 franchise number was finalized as opposed to the just over $63 million in his actual contract. A second franchise tag in 2023 at an NFL collective bargaining agreement-mandated 20% increase over Mahomes' projected 2022 franchise number would be $52,393,200. Mahomes would be approximately $20 million ahead by continuing to play the franchise tag game. The franchise tag game is a different story for Allen. Had Allen played out his contract, he would have made $26,554,595. He would have gotten an exclusive franchise tag in 2023, which currently projects to $43.001 million. As in Mahomes' case, this number is also subject to change depending on developments in the quarterback market. Allen would have made approximately $69.5 million going year to year with a 2023 franchise under the current projections. He is essentially $25.5 million better off under his new deal than playing on the franchise tag for one year primarily because of a $42.4 million option bonus, which is the largest in NFL history, he will receive in 2022. Allen would still be ahead under his new deal by about $4 million after two franchise tags in 2022 and 2023. An option bonus is essentially an additional signing bonus that's usually paid in the second or third year of a contract to exercise later years in the deal. Since an option bonus is given the same treatment on the salary cap as signing bonus, it is also prorated or evenly spread out over the life of a contract for a maximum of five years. The Bills will pay the $42.4 million bonus to exercise the option on Allen's 2028 contract year. Otherwise Allen's 2022 base salary is a fully guaranteed $46.5 million with a $50,292,281 salary cap number instead of $16,372,281. Allen's 2022 base salary reduces to a fully guaranteed $4.1 million when the option is exercised. The Bills also used this signing/option bonus structure with offensive tackle Dion Dawkins and cornerback Tre'Davious White's extensions last year. Neither player is in the best position to maximize career earnings with the choices in contract length. Trying to maximize career earnings was a primary reason why Prescott and the Cowboys were unable to reach an agreement last summer when he was initially given a franchise tag. Prescott wanted a four-year deal so he would be able to take advantage of the salary cap exploding in the coming years thanks to new media-rights deals, reportedly worth $113 billion over 11 years and an influx of gambling revenue while the Cowboys were insisting on a longer term. Most likely, the Bills will attempt to extend Allen's deal in 2028 when he is heading into his contract year. Allen would need to sign a four-year, $192 million extension averaging $48 million per year in 2028 to match Mahomes' $450 million of new money over 10 new years. Seven years from now, there could be multiple quarterbacks with contracts averaging $50 million per year or more. Mahomes' saving grace may be that his contract is renegotiated at some point in the latter half when it will surely become outdated by quarterback salary standards.
mex 65,581 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 That's a lot to digest. But them numbers.... holy shit... new money... cash flow... them Bills are putting a lot of faith into Allen... I don't blame them... if I had a team and Mahomes wasn't available... he'd be one of the guys I'd want but damn it sure puts Patrick's contract in perspective... and it's for 10 years not 6 sith13 and Troyofoc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Mahomes is expensive for the next few years, but how will he compare for the last four years of his contract? If Allen has Mahomes-like success, he will be getting a lot more then than Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 I don't see Mahomes playing that contract out but instead he'll likely sign an extension or two along the way. However the meaning of such a long deal that seems to have raised the average compensation for all other teams is a huge bonus to the Chiefs. Allen is a very good young QB with huge upside and I don't blame the Bills for that extension, in fact it was a smart move in the current scheme of things around the NFL. They were simply ruined by a massive contract to the best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 I dont think its a bargain. I did not expect him to sign a BARGAIN DEAL. In the NFL each contract sets a new high. Yes Mahomes is a fantastic QB. I think there are a half dozen or so QBs that would play just as well in KC. Mahomes is a top 5 but not head & shoulders above the other top 10. Lamardirts, xen and Marleydawg 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted August 22, 2021 Author Share Posted August 22, 2021 On 8/19/2021 at 10:32 AM, AFCWEST said: I dont think its a bargain. I did not expect him to sign a BARGAIN DEAL. In the NFL each contract sets a new high. Yes Mahomes is a fantastic QB. I think there are a half dozen or so QBs that would play just as well in KC. Mahomes is a top 5 but not head & shoulders above the other top 10. I'm guessing you don't pay much attention then. Casual fan? AFCWEST, Biggjliv4, oldtimer and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/19/2021 at 10:32 AM, AFCWEST said: I dont think its a bargain. I did not expect him to sign a BARGAIN DEAL. In the NFL each contract sets a new high. Yes Mahomes is a fantastic QB. I think there are a half dozen or so QBs that would play just as well in KC. Mahomes is a top 5 but not head & shoulders above the other top 10. xen and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Less talented qbs will be making the same and more money soon. So while it’s a lot of money it is and will be a bargain comparatively speaking real soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: Less talented qbs will be making the same and more money soon. So while it’s a lot of money it is and will be a bargain comparatively speaking real soon. He's a bargain right now and will be thru the life of this contract. He ranks 20th in cap hit this year (behind kyler Murray, Joe burrow and even deshaun watson) 2022 he'll rank 7th (tannehill will even make more) There's only 1 year thru 2025 that he's currently set to be number 1 in cap hit and that's well after the new NFL contracts kick in. Fyi there are only 4 QBs currently under contract through 2025 so that will change quickly as well. So how much more of a bargain do y'all want for the best player in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 5 hours ago, xen said: He's a bargain right now and will be thru the life of this contract. He ranks 20th in cap hit this year (behind kyler Murray, Joe burrow and even deshaun watson) 2022 he'll rank 7th (tannehill will even make more) There's only 1 year thru 2025 that he's currently set to be number 1 in cap hit and that's well after the new NFL contracts kick in. Fyi there are only 4 QBs currently under contract through 2025 so that will change quickly as well. So how much more of a bargain do y'all want for the best player in the NFL? I think you are confusing me with someone who thinks he's not a bargain. I this his deal is a homerun. 500 million over 10 years is a lot of money no matter how its cut up, but how its structured and the fact we got it done quickly makes its a bargain, but more so when other teams have to pay lesser players equal and more money, thus tying up their cap space with a player not as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Lamardirts said: I think you are confusing me with someone who thinks he's not a bargain. I this his deal is a homerun. 500 million over 10 years is a lot of money no matter how its cut up, but how its structured and the fact we got it done quickly makes its a bargain, but more so when other teams have to pay lesser players equal and more money, thus tying up their cap space with a player not as good. Case in point Dak Prescott is currently set to lead the league in cap hit as many times as mahomes over the next 5 years (1). lol cowboys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 hours ago, xen said: Case in point Dak Prescott is currently set to lead the league in cap hit as many times as mahomes over the next 5 years (1). lol cowboys Crippling for sure xen. That team is a healthy qb away from being formidable and his contract could literally derail that. If Veach can nail this HB contract and figure a way to get Orlando and Hill resigned we have a 3-4 year golden opportunity to win a couple more SB's. Things are looking great at the moment and like you said Mahomes contract really makes a lot of that possible. I'm so pumped for the season to start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 I guess we need to define bargain. iIs it 50 cents on the dollar, two for one, 75 cents on the dollar or ? Yes Mahomes contract is competitive and fits well for KC. I just dont see some huge discount here. The guy is getting half a billion dollars, playing on a winner and has huge dollars coming in endorsements. So bargain, by my definition of an really good deal , not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 In my mind, if Mahomes isn't the highest paid and #1 cap hit every single year for the next 5 years then I see it as a bargain. The best QB in the league is a Chief and he's gotten us to 2 straight super bowls, zero complaints on what this kid is making. Nice to be a legitimate winner and annual contender. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Biggjliv4 said: In my mind, if Mahomes isn't the highest paid and #1 cap hit every single year for the next 5 years then I see it as a bargain. The best QB in the league is a Chief and he's gotten us to 2 straight super bowls, zero complaints on what this kid is making. Nice to be a legitimate winner and annual contender. Agree on principal. Is 1 million under somebody else a bargain in your mind? Is it 5 million under ? Is it 100,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, AFCWEST said: Agree on principal. Is 1 million under somebody else a bargain in your mind? Is it 5 million under ? Is it 100,000? It’s a bargain on multiple fronts. He could be making more and his contracts forces other teams to over pay for inferior qb play which in turn gives us an advantage. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggjliv4 1,292 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, AFCWEST said: Agree on principal. Is 1 million under somebody else a bargain in your mind? Is it 5 million under ? Is it 100,000? First post rookie contract is never a bargain on day 1, but it can look better with time as we are seeing with these other QB contracts. Seems we are less likely to Flacco ourselves compared to these other teams. Can't wait to see what they pony up for LJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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