AFCWEST 1,238 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Calichief said: You know what, I’m gonna step back from the ledge for just a moment. if you actually look around the league, defense is dog shit. tampa has given up all kinds of points. there are like 3 decent defenses in the league. everything is geared towards offense. Look at this game already tonight. no excuse for allowing what the chiefs are doing though. 1000 yards allowed in 2 games lmao Exactly. No ledge. Just reality. Chiefs offense can out score anyone. Just need one or two stops per game. I accept the defense will not be good. It feels better just admitting it. Mahomes probably sees the same thing. Reid can see it to. Good thing the oline is capable of protecting Mahomes and has some decent depth. Its 2018 all over again. Let the shootouts begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handswarmer 645 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Calichief said: You know what, I’m gonna step back from the ledge for just a moment. if you actually look around the league, defense is dog shit. tampa has given up all kinds of points. there are like 3 decent defenses in the league. everything is geared towards offense. Look at this game already tonight. no excuse for allowing what the chiefs are doing though. 1000 yards allowed in 2 games lmao Defenses are behind right now for sure. Usually it was the offenses being behind, but that seems to have changed and I am not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Handswarmer said: Defenses are behind right now for sure. Usually it was the offenses being behind, but that seems to have changed and I am not sure there is just no physicality allowed. Defenses can't do anything without a flag flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Calichief said: there is just no physicality allowed. Defenses can't do anything without a flag flying. especially with all of the new QB's, every team is looking for that Mahomes Magic so the NFL is gonna protect the future of the league which is (Mahomes, Herbert, Wilson, Jones, Mayfield, Fields) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Calichief said: there is just no physicality allowed. Defenses can't do anything without a flag flying. I think its about helping all the players avoid injuries, not just the QB. These guys all deserve longer careers in a sport that now has massive athletes hitting each other. Faster, Bigger, Stronger. Fmbl2187 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgar 1,046 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 you wanted an identity, i gave you an identity.. Bad swiss cheese full of blow holes.. this is the *hole defense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgar 1,046 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 of course it may be all my fault.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,424 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 8:26 PM, Calichief said: You know what, I’m gonna step back from the ledge for just a moment. if you actually look around the league, defense is dog shit. Good point. But in the grand scheme of dog shit.....why does the Chiefs D have to be the equivalent of diarrhea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes4six! 968 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I read a article years back from a NFL executive that spoke about how to build a defense. He mentioned u need a stud at each level. Then you fill in. so who do we have that is considered a current stud at each level? chris Jones, honey badger? That’s it? I’m going to watch the panthers D this weekend. Top D right now in a lot of catoegories. It’s early but interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, dhitter said: Good point. But in the grand scheme of dog shit.....why does the Chiefs D have to be the equivalent of diarrhea? Like I said, there’s bad and then there’s 1000 yards and 2 punts bad. Iluvhouse24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I like to think of our defensive identity as that of a French border patrol and our offense is the Americans coming in and kicking some kraut ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, reesebobby said: I like to think of our defensive identity as that of a French border patrol and our offense is the Americans coming in and kicking some kraut ass. 1 hour ago, reesebobby said: I like to think of our defensive identity as that of a French border patrol and our offense is the Americans coming in and kicking some kraut ass. I was going to respond to this but I will keep politics out. Fmbl2187 and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Identity? Stink Stank Stunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,424 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I do agree with the thought brought up about the "Mahomes effect" being a thing. The offense has elite playmakers in Kelce and Hill with lesser but decent supporting cast.....and an elite trigger man to run it. Perhaps the defense doesn't ever feel desperate to get stops because they know 15 and the offense will bail them out. Shitty proposition but it has merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 What do you guys think? Offer Niemann straight up. SEMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 We all know very well September is the highest scoring month. Defenses will catch up. It's always a track meet at the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefensiveMan 758 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Troyofoc said: What do you guys think? Offer Niemann straight up. I really think we should consider this. He's had a great camp too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troyofoc 361 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, DefensiveMan said: I really think we should consider this. He's had a great camp too. That means he should be right up Reid's ally. DefensiveMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 This is the identity our defense has adopted thus far.... KC Warpaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 After what happened in the last Super Bowl, Veach had one overwhelming crucial project - replace and fix the O-line to protect Mahomes. He did an amazing job of that, and that line will gel by mid season and be great for years. But no manager can do that without putting the other side of the ball on the back burner a little bit. I think he did a great job with drafting Bolton, and Gay and Sneed before that, and has found gems in Wharton, Danna and others, but no one should expect a really good D after the project absolutely required for the O-line this last offseason. It was an emergency, and his job already shows. I see Sneed, Thornhill, the young LB's and the front line supplemented by another draft and a couple of FA pickups and a new contract for the HB, and we have the makings of a great D. There is WAAAAY too much concern about the long term D and comparisons like the Packers with Rodgers. It is painful to watch them right now against Cleveland and then LJ, but we should not let that pain distort our common sense. Take a deep breath and enjoy the show. I am still predicting 14-3. Lamardirts and DefensiveMan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Fmbl2187 said: After what happened in the last Super Bowl, Veach had one overwhelming crucial project - replace and fix the O-line to protect Mahomes. He did an amazing job of that, and that line will gel by mid season and be great for years. But no manager can do that without putting the other side of the ball on the back burner a little bit. I think he did a great job with drafting Bolton, and Gay and Sneed before that, and has found gems in Wharton, Danna and others, but no one should expect a really good D after the project absolutely required for the O-line this last offseason. It was an emergency, and his job already shows. I see Sneed, Thornhill, the young LB's and the front line supplemented by another draft and a couple of FA pickups and a new contract for the HB, and we have the makings of a great D. There is WAAAAY too much concern about the long term D and comparisons like the Packers with Rodgers. It is painful to watch them right now against Cleveland and then LJ, but we should not let that pain distort our common sense. Take a deep breath and enjoy the show. I am still predicting 14-3. Its unfortunate that Veach has not drafted well for defense. Yes a couple good guys but way more misses. Yes a couple of finds but those are average at best players. His free agent signings other than HB have been mostly just ok. Trading away high picks is taking a toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: Its unfortunate that Veach has not drafted well for defense. Yes a couple good guys but way more misses. Yes a couple of finds but those are average at best players. His free agent signings other than HB have been mostly just ok. Trading away high picks is taking a toll. I agree altho I understand the temptation of trading a 30 sumthing pick away for a vet if you dont see good value on the board and want to strike while you believe it's go time. I think maybe Veach needs to settle down and take whats available in the first couple of rounds. Even perennial Playoff teams seem to need a so so year here and there to re arm using high teen lower 20 draft picks . Those years suck no doubt and at my age dont want to have to endure a year of MEH but it maybe a necessary evil AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur75 415 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I do not know if its system or players or both but my GOD that was very bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, arthur75 said: I don't know what the answer is but I do know that our defense against the run was about as useful as wearing a mask to prevent covid ( or apparently the vaccine also). I do not know if its system or players or both but my GOD that was very bad. @arthur75lets try to keep this on subject without throwing in pandemic opinions Fmbl2187 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur75 415 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, oldtimer said: @arthur75lets try to keep this on subject without throwing in pandemic opinions OMG. Here let me fix it. Palangi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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