Time to play off-season GM

[azchief21 5,278]

A good one but PLEASE nobody quote Diehard's post!

[reesebobby 5,663]

5 hours ago, DieHard said:

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Trent Williams

 SF

LT $23,010,000 2

 

David Bakhtiari

 GB

LT $23,000,000 3

 

Laremy Tunsil

 HOU

LT $22,000,000 4

 

Ronnie Stanley

 BAL

LT $19,750,000 5

 

Kolton Miller

 LV

LT $18,000,000 6

 

Garett Bolles

 DEN

LT $17,000,000 7

 

Taylor Lewan

 TEN

LT $16,000,000 

 

Jordan Mailata

 PHI

LT $16,000,000 9

 

Donovan Smith

 TB

LT $15,500,000 10

 

Taylor Decker

 DET

LT $15,000,000 11

 

D.J. Humphries

 ARI

LT $14,583,333 12

 

Dion Dawkins

 BUF

LT $14,575,000 13

 

Jake Matthews

 ATL

LT $14,500,000 14

 

Terron Armstead

 NO

LT $13,000,000 15

 

Charles Leno

 WAS

LT $12,500,000 16

 

Tyron Smith

 DAL

LT $12,200,000 17

 

Duane Brown

 SEA

LT $11,500,000 18

 

Andrew Whitworth

 LAR

LT $10,000,026 19

 

Eric Fisher

 IND

LT $8,380,000 20

 

Andrew Thomas

 NYG

LT $8,086,397 21

 

Cameron Erving

 CAR

LT $5,000,000 22

 

Jedrick Wills

 CLE

LT $4,925,729 23

 

Mekhi Becton

 NYJ

LT $4,611,512 24

 

Jonah Williams

 CIN

LT $4,407,542 25

 

Rashawn Slater

 LAC

LT $4,157,939 26

 

Austin Jackson

 MIA

LT $3,410,086 27

 

Christian Darrisaw

 MIN

LT $3,336,535 28

 

Andre Dillard

 PHI

LT $3,092,646 29

 

James Hurst

 NO

LT $3,000,000 30

 

Isaiah Wynn

 NE

LT $2,860,476 31

 

Greg Little

 MIA

LT $1,909,731 32

 

Walker Little

 JAC

LT $1,905,426 33

 

Elgton Jenkins

 GB

LT $1,691,785 34

 

Spencer Brown

 BUF

LT $1,208,674 35

 

Matt Peart

 NYG

LT $1,082,391 36

 

James Hudson

 CLE

LT $1,068,104 37

 

Dan Moore

 PIT

LT $1,044,476 38

 

Charlie Heck

 HOU

LT $1,001,426 39

 

Jaylon Moore

 SF

LT $950,758 40

 

Tommy Doyle

 BUF

LT $948,931 41

 

Stone Forsythe

 SEA

LT $911,656 42

 

Trey Pipkins

 LAC

LT $901,894 43

 

Hakeem Adeniji

 CIN

LT $876,721 44

 

Yodny Cajuste

 NE

LT $870,545 45

 

Justin Herron

 NE

LT $866,865 46

 

Justin Skule

 SF

LT $674,714 47

 

Isaiah Prince

 CIN

LT $667,436 48

 

Joshua Miles

 ARI

LT $648,644 

Pretty crazy how much SF pays a LT.

[oldtimer 8,686]

3 minutes ago, reesebobby said:

Pretty crazy how much SF pays a LT.

They dont have to pay a QB ...yet

[Lamardirts 2,114]

3 hours ago, oldtimer said:

His agent should be fired if he takes 16 but  hope your right.

Agree, we are forced into a position to overpay.  I just don’t think his play warrants 20 per year but I’m sure he will get it.

[DieHard 2,061]

7 hours ago, Lamardirts said:

18 per year for 5 years.   5/90

That would be sweet. 

[xen 1,010,220]

3 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said:

The fact that he gets beat around the edge instantly 90% of the time and the only reason only 4 sacks are allowed is mahomes is houdini back there

I mean, it always looks ugly with OBJ but this is simply not true.  He has a career pass block win rate around 90%, which is top 10 since he's been in the league.  Even with his early struggles as he adjusted to a new system and has been working new techniques, he's right up there this year.  Sure he'll give one up here and there (most tackles do, even great ones) but for the most part, since the first quarter of the season he's been good to great in most games.  

Again it may look ugly but there's no question it's effective.  If you isolate on him in coaches tape he wins on the regular.  Once he gets his hands on a guy the rep is essentially over.

 

[DieHard 2,061]

3 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said:

The fact that he gets beat around the edge instantly 90% of the time and the only reason only 4 sacks are allowed is mahomes is houdini back there

We must be watching different games. 

[Calichief 3,016]

5 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said:

Move him to WR?

And. Sorry. 

[moons314 2,463]

8 hours ago, Lamardirts said:

18 per year for 5 years.   5/90

As long as there's a good out after 3, where we can either renegotiate or cut bait.  Big contracts over the long term are almost always better for the player than the franchise, and I'm pretty sure that we're going to be handing out a big contract to the center in 3 years.  

[Iluvhouse24 1,808]

49 minutes ago, Calichief said:

And. Sorry. 

Huh?

[CranjisMcbasketball 780]

4 hours ago, xen said:

I mean, it always looks ugly with OBJ but this is simply not true.  He has a career pass block win rate around 90%, which is top 10 since he's been in the league.  Even with his early struggles as he adjusted to a new system and has been working new techniques, he's right up there this year.  Sure he'll give one up here and there (most tackles do, even great ones) but for the most part, since the first quarter of the season he's been good to great in most games.  

Again it may look ugly but there's no question it's effective.  If you isolate on him in coaches tape he wins on the regular.  Once he gets his hands on a guy the rep is essentially over.

 

Ok, I respect this informed post, some good info here. Let me just say its not that i hate obj, but the chiefs absolutely have to stop paying top dollar for non elite players like frank clark, hitchens, eric berry, matheui etc. Its not that any of them are god awful, its just none of them are real difference makers over some random free agent that might be 1/3 the price.

for instance eric fischer will be a free agent again, him for a 2 year deal for 7 mil a year is way more appealing to me than obj at 5 for 70 mil.

if we do keep obj i hope its somehow at 10 mil a year max, which I personally think is fair for his talent) and i hope he is able to drop about 20-30 pounds to gain some mobility over the offseason.

i would personally let him walk, plug the hole in free agency or draft, as i dont think the performance dropoff will be significant, and use the extra 10 mil in cap saving for depth and wr and d line

[xen 1,010,220]

31 minutes ago, CranjisMcbasketball said:

Ok, I respect this informed post, some good info here. Let me just say its not that i hate obj, but the chiefs absolutely have to stop paying top dollar for non elite players like frank clark, hitchens, eric berry, matheui etc. Its not that any of them are god awful, its just none of them are real difference makers over some random free agent that might be 1/3 the price.

for instance eric fischer will be a free agent again, him for a 2 year deal for 7 mil a year is way more appealing to me than obj at 5 for 70 mil.

if we do keep obj i hope its somehow at 10 mil a year max, which I personally think is fair for his talent) and i hope he is able to drop about 20-30 pounds to gain some mobility over the offseason.

i would personally let him walk, plug the hole in free agency or draft, as i dont think the performance dropoff will be significant, and use the extra 10 mil in cap saving for depth and wr and d line

I think we'll have to agree to disagree.  I think he is a great player already and still ascending.

I actually had questions about his feet when we traded for him.  I just hadn't watched enough of him to realize he's so goddamn long amd freakishly strong it usually doesn't matter.  Seriously if he so much as gets 1 hand on a guy the rep is done.  He's also a smarter player than I realized.  Really sets guys up well.  

[Biggjliv4 1,292]

I think its the same approach as last year. We can't just say let him go and plug in another LT if the market isn't there to to replace. Hill and Kelce have a window and the last thing we need is to create yet another need when the answer is already in house. Draft isn't a guarantee and we NEED a DE, WR and CB replacements this year. Is what it is and we have an in house answer with OBJ. Need solutions, not more problems and holes. 

[sith13 1,746]

14 hours ago, Lamardirts said:

18 per year for 5 years.   5/90

Looking at the longest post I've seen in a while his play seems to make it reasonable.

[sith13 1,746]

12 hours ago, Calichief said:

If I’m the gm, I’m getting rashad penny on the cheap. Big bodied wr, and keep going defense in the draft 

Are you referring to a whole other guy than the Seahawks RB?

[Calichief 3,016]

5 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said:

Huh?

I would sign Penny AND A WR.

[Calichief 3,016]

17 minutes ago, sith13 said:

Are you referring to a whole other guy than the Seahawks RB?

Penny and a big body WR.

 

[sith13 1,746]

Just now, Calichief said:

Penny and a big body WR.

 

Okay. Penny should be rather cheap as he needs to prove he can stay healthy to earn a real contract. I don't mind bringing him in but would prefer to hang on to Williams instead if he doesn't cost a lot. We had a major need for a big possession receiver for quite a while, don't know who'll be available in FA but the way WRs have been taking too long to develop in this regime I definitely prefer a veteran over a mid-late round rookie. 

[Iluvhouse24 1,808]

9 hours ago, Biggjliv4 said:

I think its the same approach as last year. We can't just say let him go and plug in another LT if the market isn't there to to replace. Hill and Kelce have a window and the last thing we need is to create yet another need when the answer is already in house. Draft isn't a guarantee and we NEED a DE, WR and CB replacements this year. Is what it is and we have an in house answer with OBJ. Need solutions, not more problems and holes. 

This is the correct take.

[Iluvhouse24 1,808]

10 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said:

Ok, I respect this informed post, some good info here. Let me just say its not that i hate obj, but the chiefs absolutely have to stop paying top dollar for non elite players like frank clark, hitchens, eric berry, matheui etc. Its not that any of them are god awful, its just none of them are real difference makers over some random free agent that might be 1/3 the price.

for instance eric fischer will be a free agent again, him for a 2 year deal for 7 mil a year is way more appealing to me than obj at 5 for 70 mil.

if we do keep obj i hope its somehow at 10 mil a year max, which I personally think is fair for his talent) and i hope he is able to drop about 20-30 pounds to gain some mobility over the offseason.

i would personally let him walk, plug the hole in free agency or draft, as i dont think the performance dropoff will be significant, and use the extra 10 mil in cap saving for depth and wr and d line

I dont think the Chiefs want a 2 year fix. I think they want a guy who can protect Mahomes blindside for the long term. And there is no second contract player that is going to play at Browns level for 10 million per. 

He is the second rated tackle in all of football in run block win rate. And like Xen said, he is top 10% in pass block win rate. That's a player that is close to elite at one of the most important positions on the field and he's not done improving. What you are describing when you watch him play doesn't match up with any metrics or stats. 

Signing a tackle on the downside of his career like Fisher also means you have to invest a second resource in his future replacement. Clearly that's not Niang because you said last week "he shouldn't be on the team next year." Which would mean you are ok with the idea of going into the offseason in the exact same situation we did last year. No starter at either tacke spot. That makes even less sense to me.

Plus signing Fisher is a move that a team with a closing window would make. Our window is wide open and is always going to be as long as 15 is here. Paying Brown is the right thing to do.

[Holmes4six! 968]

Reading thru all of the posts Veach sure has some tough decisions to make. 
When it comes to the o  and d line I don’t mind spending money on guys that actually perform relative to there contract. The trenches are the key. 
I have a lot more confidence in young guys after seeing Bolton and creed. I hope Veach and Reid do also. 
 

[Lamardirts 2,114]

Thankfully the cap keeps going up and we have two cheap lineman that should get us through the majority of OBJ's deal and all of Thuney's deal.   It really does work itself out nicely.    

A couple needs we didn't think we needed before season that should be addressed mid - late round.

I would love to grab the Cook RB out of Georgia in the mid rounds if he lasts that long.  We need a RB with home run speed in this offense or a fast one cut rb.   

A LT/RT prospect that could potentially start at RT next year.   

[sith13 1,746]

1 hour ago, Lamardirts said:

Thankfully the cap keeps going up and we have two cheap lineman that should get us through the majority of OBJ's deal and all of Thuney's deal.   It really does work itself out nicely.    

A couple needs we didn't think we needed before season that should be addressed mid - late round.

I would love to grab the Cook RB out of Georgia in the mid rounds if he lasts that long.  We need a RB with home run speed in this offense or a fast one cut rb.   

A LT/RT prospect that could potentially start at RT next year.   

I really like Cook but I would prioritize WR over RB at this point. If we can retain Williams and bring in a decent option in FA we should be fine at RB considering that CEH is still here for a while and we are going to pay for him regardless. I always thought a swing tackle in this draft was a mid to late round consideration but with Niang's health issues he may end up being the swing tackle after a relatively higher OT pick comes in as the RT.

[DieHard 2,061]

On 1/11/2022 at 2:38 PM, azchief21 said:

A good one but PLEASE nobody quote Diehard's post!

Yeah, that didn't work out the way I thought it would. 

[dhitter 1,424]

Spags has always seemed to undervalue the CB position so I see that as piecemeal FA stuff. Chiefs will resign or sign retreads to handle it. It is essential we get a quality DE who can pressure the QB. #1 priority in my book After that a true "X".