jetlord 10,209 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Reported on NFL channel this morning that Veach says the Chiefs will franchise tag Orlando Brown. Makes sense. What does that make his cap hit this season and how much more will it cost to sign him next year if he plays well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I am seeing 17 mill. But it says OL. Do they not break it down to LT, G, C, RT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 have to wonder if Brown will get all butt hurt about this and hold out for awhile. ATLchief 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I think this is the smart way to go. First of all if there's cap space for now there's no reason to waste time with your own guys as you can always look into details over the summer. More importantly I think Brown staying on the tag unless he wants a team friendly deal makes a bit more sense to me. He's definitely much better compared to the beginning of the season but it doesn't hurt to have him earn the big paycheck if he wants something closer to the top. West 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 49 minutes ago, oldtimer said: have to wonder if Brown will get all butt hurt about this and hold out for awhile. maybe HB gets butt hurt oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowhead 1,070 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Tag him now and work out a long term deal sometime after June 1, when Clark's money gets freed up. Joe_Chief, West and qnet 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Tag and trade lets goooooo arrowhead, oldtimer, Iluvhouse24 and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 This isn’t a big deal. We can’t let him hit free agency. This is merely to buy time to work out the long term deal. If those stall then it might be an issue but at 17 million and being our LT can’t imagine he is going to be super mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: Tag and trade lets goooooo So who protects the franchise after he's gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Warpaint 3,234 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 hours ago, jetlord said: So who protects the franchise after he's gone? i think he wants to bring back fisher.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,599 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 hours ago, arrowhead said: Tag him now and work out a long term deal sometime after June 1, when Clark's money gets freed up. His 17 mil counts right away though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, kkuenn said: His 17 mil counts right away though Thus the Hitchens cutting. I mean it is beneficial to Hitchens but let’s not pretend like this wasn’t the main reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 hours ago, jetlord said: So who protects the franchise after he's gone? Who protects the franchise when he’s here? oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 7 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: Who protects the franchise when he’s here? stick to basketball KC Warpaint and SEMO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowhead 1,070 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 hours ago, kkuenn said: His 17 mil counts right away though Yeah, I got excited for a minute. Looking at what other left tackles make, his cap number won't be too far off the 17 mil. Garrett Bolles cap hit is 21 mil. Holy smokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted March 2, 2022 Author Share Posted March 2, 2022 12 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: Who protects the franchise when he’s here? He does. When Mahomes hangs in the pocket, Brown does just fine, especially later in the season. HIs weakness is on speed rushers going around the end when the QB makes deep drops. The Chiefs have adjusted and can live with Brown long term. Not sure what your problem is with him that makes you want to get rid of the only LT the Chiefs have. Would a rookie do better or is there a FA the Chiefs could get cheaper? oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, jetlord said: He does. When Mahomes hangs in the pocket, Brown does just fine, especially later in the season. HIs weakness is on speed rushers going around the end when the QB makes deep drops. The Chiefs have adjusted and can live with Brown long term. Not sure what your problem is with him that makes you want to get rid of the only LT the Chiefs have. Would a rookie do better or is there a FA the Chiefs could get cheaper? This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 4 hours ago, jetlord said: He does. When Mahomes hangs in the pocket, Brown does just fine, especially later in the season. HIs weakness is on speed rushers going around the end when the QB makes deep drops. The Chiefs have adjusted and can live with Brown long term. Not sure what your problem is with him that makes you want to get rid of the only LT the Chiefs have. Would a rookie do better or is there a FA the Chiefs could get cheaper? So we agree but come to different conclusions. i dont want to teach mahomes to play in the pocket because our LT is burnt by speed rush. I want a LT owns speed rush but is weak on bull rush or inside moves. Then mahomes can do what he does best and escape the pocket and roll outside. i dont want to pay a LT 25 mil a year that is opposite of our QBs strengths. i want to tag and and trade orlando to the bears for a 2nd and 4th or something. Try to find a similar talent LT(wont be too hard) and if that fails move thuney to LT for a year. oldtimer and arrowhead 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: So we agree but come to different conclusions. i dont want to teach mahomes to play in the pocket because our LT is burnt by speed rush. I want a LT owns speed rush but is weak on bull rush or inside moves. Then mahomes can do what he does best and escape the pocket and roll outside. i dont want to pay a LT 25 mil a year that is opposite of our QBs strengths. i want to tag and and trade orlando to the bears for a 2nd and 4th or something. Try to find a similar talent LT(wont be too hard) and if that fails move thuney to LT for a year. Mahomes has to learn to play in the pocket regardless of who his LT is. He can't play sandlot football for 60 minutes. I posed this question to another member here a few months ago. So I will ask you too... Offensive lineman are taught to work together and create a pocket. This is something that takes place as early as they have real coaching available. High-school, college, NFL. They are taught to block certain way. Just like QBs are taught to play within that pocket. That's what an offensive line is for. To protect the QB. So if Mahomes is gonna bail constantly bail on the pocket, what are you teaching your offensive line to do? How can you teach an offensive line to block for a QB who goes off script constantly? Conversely how can you coach Mahomes that way? How can you coach a player to not worry about what his line is doing? Not to learn how to climb the pocket, but to run around like a madman and wait for someone to break away from coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 @Iluvhouse24 everything you said is correct. Simply put if mahomes is going to bail on the pocket, and this is something I don’t want to coach out of him, why pay top dollar to try to make a pocket? im not saying eric fischer was a god, but when he got beat it was ugly and mahomes could see it and adapt. with brown, when he gets beat its around the edge and mahomes gets annihilation without warning. This is what i want to avoid. its all about how we want to spend our cap dollars, and im in the wide receiver and d line camp. Not average LT payed at elite LT camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Brown is probably a little above average, but he is young and visibly improving. If you got rid of him, I don't know where you get his replacement or how much that would cost. Worst case we franchise him twice. $17 then $20.4. There is no way I would let him walk until I had to. oldtimer, qnet and West 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 Only way Brown gets away in the next few years is if the Chiefs hit a home run on a third day draft pick. Not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 6 hours ago, DieHard said: Brown is probably a little above average, but he is young and visibly improving. If you got rid of him, I don't know where you get his replacement or how much that would cost. Worst case we franchise him twice. $17 then $20.4. There is no way I would let him walk until I had to. If they think it's not going to lead anywhere then 2 years is enough time to look into a young replacement that can be groomed from the swing tackle role. The prices seem fair to just see how he progresses but honestly I think he gets the big deal next year if he performs consistently at a strong level throughout the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, sith13 said: If they think it's not going to lead anywhere then 2 years is enough time to look into a young replacement that can be groomed from the swing tackle role. The prices seem fair to just see how he progresses but honestly I think he gets the big deal next year if he performs consistently at a strong level throughout the season. Agreed. It buys some time. I think he gets it this year, but I don’t know. sith13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 6 hours ago, DieHard said: Agreed. It buys some time. I think he gets it this year, but I don’t know. Agree. He'll get the offer after Clark and HB are resolved. Chiefs don't have the cap room yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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