sith13 1,746 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: Agree: Dynasty? Andy Reid has proven he is not an elite coach. He gets out coached in and during the biggest games. Mahomes is the reason Andy has more success. So Beli-cheat is the #1 reason NE is always competitive. If Bill was the KC head coach the Dynasty would be a reality. Definitely, getting to 4 conference title games in as many years and winning half of those for 2 SB appearance is a successful thing but in reality the SB wins are the only things that count over time so for a dynasty they still have some way to go. Reid can still improve as a coach as well as Veach as a GM. However I like the emphasis on keeping the franchise QB in town for an extended period of time while willing to part with lesser positions that don't warrant the cost of keeping them. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,599 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: if anyone here actually believes pat watching average QB alex smith play for a season is what made him the most talented QB in history then i might have to give up Lol, Mahomes has said and continues to say how much Smith helped him in preparation, reading defenses etc. There is more than watching him just play. Man you are a negative poster and your argument is refuted by Mahomes himself. THEWIZARD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Lop, Mahomes has said and continues to say how much Smith helped him in preparation, reading defenses etc. There is more than watching him just play. Man you are a negative poster and your argument is refuted by Mahomes himself. I mean what is mahomes going to say “yeah it was a complete waste of time for me to sit and go against the wishes of the team that drafted me and i learned nothing all year.” time to be positive though you are right I will take note for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 43 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: Agree: Dynasty? Andy Reid has proven he is not an elite coach. He gets out coached in and during the biggest games. Mahomes is the reason Andy has more success. So Beli-cheat is the #1 reason NE is always competitive. If Bill was the KC head coach the Dynasty would be a reality. sometimes you leave me speechless. I would counter with everybody that is anybody in the NFL would say your head is soo far up your ass you have to pull corn out of your ears upon removal or was that Mr Hand talking? Joe_Chief and DieHard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,599 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: I mean what is mahomes going to say “yeah it was a complete waste of time for me to sit and go against the wishes of the team that drafted me and i learned nothing all year.” time to be positive though you are right I will take note for the future Mahomes came in raw. He had to learn to get his foot work right, reads, the offensive playback etc. Everyone said it was a great place for him to go here and learn/sit for a year. I am sure almost 95% and up of us agreed. I am sure you were one of those that wanted Mahomes future right away though? Sitting and learning was a great thing for him. So much that when they saw how he progressed they were ready to move on from Smith and trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: sometimes you leave me speechless. I would counter with everybody that is anybody in the NFL would say your head is soo far up your ass you have to pull corn out of your ears upon removal or was that Mr Hand talking? Thanks for all your amazing insight and quality communication skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, AFCWEST said: Agree: Dynasty? Andy Reid has proven he is not an elite coach. He gets out coached in and during the biggest games. Mahomes is the reason Andy has more success. So Beli-cheat is the #1 reason NE is always competitive. If Bill was the KC head coach the Dynasty would be a reality. Actually he is an elite coach. We went from 2-14 to 11-5 in one year. With Alex Smith. Who does that? 4 straight title games with 2 different teams. Bill had the best QB in the league playing at an average salary. He may be a better coach, I don’t think so, but even if you say that, Reid doesn’t lose elite status by being the second best coach in the league. That just doesn’t make sense. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, DieHard said: Actually he is an elite coach. We went from 2-14 to 11-5 in one year. With Alex Smith. Who does that? 4 straight title games with 2 different teams. Bill had the best QB in the league playing at an average salary. He may be a better coach, I don’t think so, but even if you say that, Reid doesn’t lose elite status by being the second best coach in the league. That just doesn’t make sense. Yes I guess based on that I agree. Reid is elite. So I will reset by saying BIll B is a level above the rest of the NFL Coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,599 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, DieHard said: Actually he is an elite coach. We went from 2-14 to 11-5 in one year. With Alex Smith. Who does that? 4 straight title games with 2 different teams. Bill had the best QB in the league playing at an average salary. He may be a better coach, I don’t think so, but even if you say that, Reid doesn’t lose elite status by being the second best coach in the league. That just doesn’t make sense. If you ain't first, you're last! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 I will put my positive hat on and say Reid is an elite coach, i would actually take him over bellichick, who has so far proven to be a disaster without brady. Reid has proven to be above average with almost any QB. this is why i think we had a legit chance to win multiple superbowls the last 5 years and why im actually very positive on what the chiefs were doing despite what some are saying. elite coach elite qb on a rookie deal elite wr on a team friendly deal elite tight end on team friend deal elite d tackle on rookie deal for several seasons this is 99% of what is needed to be unstoppable all they needed was to hit on a few other decisions and it just didn’t pan out. Doesn’t mean the world is ending, simply i have moved my hopes to wanting to win another title before pats career is over. 3 years ago i was hoping to win 6+ titles. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: Yes I guess based on that I agree. Reid is elite. So I will reset by saying BIll B is a level above the rest of the NFL Coaches. I agree about belly. I don’t like him. I think he’s a little bit a product of Brady. But he did some damn good things. Definitely elite. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,599 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: I will put my positive hat on and say Reid is an elite coach, i would actually take him over bellichick, who has so far proven to be a disaster without brady. Reid has proven to be above average with almost any QB. this is why i think we had a legit chance to win multiple superbowls the last 5 years and why im actually very positive on what the chiefs were doing despite what some are saying. elite coach elite qb on a rookie deal elite wr on a team friendly deal elite tight end on team friend deal elite d tackle on rookie deal for several seasons this is 99% of what is needed to be unstoppable all they needed was to hit on a few other decisions and it just didn’t pan out. Doesn’t mean the world is ending, simply i have moved my hopes to wanting to win another title before pats career is over. 3 years ago i was hoping to win 6+ titles. We use to hope to get into the playoffs and win just a game let alone a home game. I was in the stands for that playoff win against Indy and man was it a monkey off our back. Now do we not only want to get into the playoffs but we want to win our division and get homefield advantage. We have done that 4 years straight playing at home only. 2 SBs, one win and another possible sb if not for a penalty. We are now wanting to be in the sb every year and win more. How far we have come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, kkuenn said: If you ain't first, you're last! 😂 After sitting through some two and 14 seasons, I will respectfully disagree. I definitely hear what you’re saying though. Are used to celebrate when we made the playoffs. Now I cry when we don’t win the Super Bowl. artsy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, kkuenn said: We use to hope to get into the playoffs and win just a game let alone a home game. I was in the stands for that playoff win against Indy and man was it a monkey off our back. Now do we not only want to get into the playoffs but we want to win our division and get homefield advantage. We have done that 4 years straight playing at home only. 2 SBs, one win and another possible sb if not for a penalty. We are bow wanting to be in the sb every year and win more. How far we have come. That was beautifully said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,599 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, DieHard said: 😂 After sitting through some two and 14 seasons, I will respectfully disagree. I definitely hear what you’re saying though. Are used to celebrate when we made the playoffs. Now I cry when we don’t win the Super Bowl. What I just said above your post. This post was a tongue in cheek about Reid not being elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, kkuenn said: What I just said above your post. This post was a tongue in cheek about Reid not being elite. I got it. I agree. Just climbing on my soap box for a minute. kkuenn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WichitaZRide 321 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 19 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: I mean what is mahomes going to say “yeah it was a complete waste of time for me to sit and go against the wishes of the team that drafted me and i learned nothing all year.” time to be positive though you are right I will take note for the future He brings it up unprompted even today. If he didn't feel that way he wouldn't say it unless asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 20 hours ago, AFCWEST said: So I will reset by saying BIll B is a level above the rest of the NFL Coaches. Bellicheat is 2-6 W/L in seasons without Brady as the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 33 minutes ago, azchief21 said: Bellicheat is 2-6 W/L in seasons without Brady as the starter. Yes as would any coach with a back up playing. I dont like Bill at all. I do think he would win more championships with KC than Reid would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: Yes as would any coach with a back up playing. I dont like Bill at all. I do think he would win more championships with KC than Reid would. These weren't backups. They were his starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, azchief21 said: These weren't backups. They were his starters. Still is not relevant to now. Hey I dont even like Brady or the Patriots. Bill would win more with this roster going forward than Reid. I like Reid and Im glad he is in KC. He has been outcoached in the AFC Champ Game and Last Superbowl. He stunk it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, AFCWEST said: Still is not relevant to now. Hey I dont even like Brady or the Patriots. Bill would win more with this roster going forward than Reid. I like Reid and Im glad he is in KC. He has been outcoached in the AFC Champ Game and Last Superbowl. He stunk it up. Let's see Billy Bob win anything without Brady. He's doing a pretty good job of getting stinky himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 38 minutes ago, xen said: Let's see Billy Bob win anything without Brady. He's doing a pretty good job of getting stinky himself. The point was he had Brady and would win more championships than Reid if he had Mahomes and this KC team.. I guess I could say Reid would have won less championships as the NE Coach with Brady. I dont like Billy BOy and dont want him in KC. No question he is the better head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: The point was he had Brady and would win more championships than Reid if he had Mahomes and this KC team.. I guess I could say Reid would have won less championships as the NE Coach with Brady. I dont like Billy BOy and dont want him in KC. No question he is the better head coach. Brady got Bruce Freakin Arians a championship and he shouldn't have sniffed one. And he was over the hill when he did it. I think you're underestimating just how good Brady was. I mean I was right there with ya 10 years ago but I think the jury is now in on the Brady vs Belichick debate. There is no question that Belichick is a great coach. But I don't think there's that much difference between Belichick and Andy except Bill is obviously a great D coach and Andy a great O coach. oldtimer and qnet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, xen said: Brady got Bruce Freakin Arians a championship and he shouldn't have sniffed one. And he was over the hill when he did it. I think you're underestimating just how good Brady was. I mean I was right there with ya 10 years ago but I think the jury is now in on the Brady vs Belichick debate. There is no question that Belichick is a great coach. But I don't think there's that much difference between Belichick and Andy except Bill is obviously a great D coach and Andy a great O coach. Good points. Not underestimating how good Brady is or Mahomes. I think KC would win more championships with Bill & Mahomes. Dont want it just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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