West 6,713 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I don't think anyone has mentioned that Tyreek has been an exceptional route runner? Hardman has world class speed, why can't he "take the lid" off of defenses as well? My guess is that the Chiefs will give him that opportunity this year barring no other elite WR is brought in> w AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, West said: I don't think anyone has mentioned that Tyreek has been an exceptional route runner? Hardman has world class speed, why can't he "take the lid" off of defenses as well? My guess is that the Chiefs will give him that opportunity this year barring no other elite WR is brought in> w He does not have to be Hill Part Two he is that deep threat that opens things up underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I know they are similarly fast, but Tyreek seems much faster on the football field. Not sure why. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, reesebobby said: I know they are similarly fast, but Tyreek seems much faster on the football field. Not sure why. Hill after the catch is one of a kind. His ability to stop and start in warp speed is unmatched. Palangi and Burpo The Mad Clown 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 They have tried to give hardman a chance for years now, he isn’t anywhere close to tyreek. He came on to some degree toward the end of last year. Tyreek is the single most dangerous threat in the nfl. Hardman if he keeps improving could be a good #3 option some day AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 42 minutes ago, reesebobby said: I know they are similarly fast, but Tyreek seems much faster on the football field. Not sure why. Unmatched acceleration and much better agility. Hill can stop and start as if he has been resting for 10 minutes and can keep up the speed even while making some cuts to any direction. Palangi and AFCWEST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Hardman is more of a Linear speed guy. Hill has that and Ellie agility. Hardman agility is good but not elite sith13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burpo The Mad Clown 5,555 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Hill is a freak of nature and we’ll never see his like again. It will take some getting used to once KC settles on their crop of WRs. None will have that combination of blazing speed and agility. Because no one else does. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes4six! 968 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Lets see how the departure of Hill changes or maybe re-focuses hardman. You never know how people react when a opportunity arises. I'm very interested in how this team is going to be constructed before kick off of the regular season. Further to that, how Reid is going to change/ alter our offense without Hill. Maybe not a lot not sure. I'm also wondering how defenses will be playing us now. Dropping into coverage? With Hill gone Im not sure now. More man to man as there's no one that we currently have that would force a team to double except Kelce. Interesting times ahead for our chiefs. ChiefThunder and AFCWEST 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 In the time Hardman has been here he has had 186 targets vs Hill's 383. Snap counts Hardman- 1593 Hill- 2331. Opportunity will be there. Make or break. AFCWEST and West 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnet 1,150 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Agree with AFCWEST. Hill is more shifty. He's actually a hybrid WR/RB who really worked to improve his route running. Hardman played the best I've seen him play later last year. AFCWEST and Lamardirts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Lost in this argument is that Mecole is a Z receiver and has been blocked from playing time there due to us having some dude at that spot. I forgot who but seem to remember he was ok at the Z spot. azchief21, AFCWEST, West and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Hardman is in his contract year. If he doesn't step it up this season, he's blowing a great opportunity. qnet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefThunder 153 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 14 hours ago, Holmes4six! said: Lets see how the departure of Hill changes or maybe re-focuses hardman. You never know how people react when a opportunity arises. I'm very interested in how this team is going to be constructed before kick off of the regular season. Further to that, how Reid is going to change/ alter our offense without Hill. Maybe not a lot not sure. I'm also wondering how defenses will be playing us now. Dropping into coverage? With Hill gone Im not sure now. More man to man as there's no one that we currently have that would force a team to double except Kelce. Interesting times ahead for our chiefs. I don't think there will much change. We had a glimpse of it a couple years ago when Tyreek was injured, and we were still marching up and down the field. If there is a change to the O, I hope we see Reid run the ball more. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy_6262 77 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Hill's ability to go from 0 to top speed in a few steps along with changing direction without losing speed is what made him truly great. Hardman doesn't have that. sith13 and azchief21 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post reesebobby 5,662 Posted March 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2022 7 hours ago, ChiefThunder said: I don't think there will much change. We had a glimpse of it a couple years ago when Tyreek was injured, and we were still marching up and down the field. If there is a change to the O, I hope we see Reid run the ball more. In 2013, Andy Reid had the 6th highest scoring offense with Alex Smith throwing to Dexter McCluster, Dwayne Bowe and Donnie Avery. qnet, West, Obi Won Mahome and 4 others 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 2 hours ago, timmy_6262 said: Hill's ability to go from 0 to top speed in a few steps along with changing direction without losing speed is what made him truly great. Hardman doesn't have that. Yep, Hardman has good pure speed but plays at an average speed due to the other aspects. He could turn into a deep threat but I'm worried that his ceiling may be an "offensive weapon" similar to DMC. Hopefully he makes a huge leap this year, we could use a shifty guy at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 They are both short and fast. Can’t think of any other similarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, DieHard said: They are both short and fast. Can’t think of any other similarities. Both born in Georgia. DieHard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okiechief1 425 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Something i found intersting in Hill v Hardman is Hardman had more yards after contact than Hill almost by 100 yds with close to half the receptions. Y/R and catch rate were almost identical as well. I'm by know way saying Mecole is just as good or even close to being as good as Tyreek i just thought some of the numbers were interesting oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reesebobby 5,662 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Just now, Okiechief1 said: Something i found intersting in Hill v Hardman is Hardman had more yards after contact than Hill almost by 100 yds with close to half the receptions. Y/R and catch rate were almost identical as well. I'm by know way saying Mecole is just as good or even close to being as good as Tyreek i just thought some of the numbers were interesting Partly because Hill is untouched so many times I would think. sith13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, reesebobby said: Partly because Hill is untouched so many times I would think. Yep, Hill creates quite a bit of separation before the throw. Also Hill is used less on the runs out of the backfield that count as passes as opposed Hardman which do provide some boost when there's some contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan4pres 125 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 One negative I could say about Hill is that he never really broke tackles. Hill wasn’t a big guy but was put together. For being an ex-running back, he seemed to avoid contact and run out of bounds a lot. Having said that, he was good at making catches in traffic. One advantage of having bigger WRs is the YAC being caused by breaking a tackle vs. outrunning everyone. That’s why speed AND size is what every coach wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes4six! 968 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 4 hours ago, reesebobby said: In 2013, Andy Reid had the 6th highest scoring offense with Alex Smith throwing to Dexter McCluster, Dwayne Bowe and Donnie Avery. Great point. but with Alex Smith I was always shitting my pants on 3rd and long. With mahomes not so much at all. Hopefully that is still the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 5 hours ago, reesebobby said: In 2013, Andy Reid had the 6th highest scoring offense with Alex Smith throwing to Dexter McCluster, Dwayne Bowe and Donnie Avery. There was some RB who ended up being the team MVP, I think he might have helped a bit too. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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