Mocking the trenches

[Palangi 788]

I know most are focused on the receivers, safeties, and corners. But there is work to be done in the trenches for this team. I’m going to avoid WR early as I don’t think a pick at 29 or 30 plays over MVS, JuJu, or Hardman. So I will go for instant impact guys first. 
 

1. Boye Mafe DE Minnesota 6’4” 260- big time athlete.  Good length.  I still believe that Ingram will be back too. So Mafe can be a pass rush specialist year 1.  

1. Travis Jones DT UCONN 6’4” 320- big physical run stopper. That will compliment Chris Jones greatly. Has good burst. The Jones Brothers.   

2. Abraham Lucas OT Washington St 6’6” 325- big time pass protector  has great movement skills and potential to be a a solid run blocker.  

2. Martin Emerson CB Miss St 6’2” 205- big long corner that excels in bump and run.   

3. Nick Cross S Maryland 6’1” 210- big time athlete and physical safety. Has 4.3 speed. I think he ends up staying with Reid and Thornhill is the slot safety and third safety.   

3. Zyon McCollum CB Sam Houston 6’2” 205- Big time athlete. Ceiling is super high- Elite speed and agility.   

4. Jerome Ford RB Cincinnati 5’11” 220- can be a return specialist year one and rotational guy. A home run threat that runs hard.    

4. Velus Jones WR Tennessee 6’ 200- ran a 4.31 at the combine. Big time return specialist too. Can develop into a good WR.   .   

7. Isaiah Weston WR Northern Iowa 6’4” 210- ran a 4.42 at the combine. Mostly a good route WR right now. Can develop into a run after the catch guy.     

7. Labryan Ray DT Alabama 6’4” 290- athletic DT. Can Develop into a Chris Jones replacement, maybe. Has had injury issues but can take a year to develop himself and build his body.   

7. Tariq Carpenter LB Georgia Tech 6’3” 230- college safety. But LB size. Ran a 4.53 forty at his pro day. Can be developed as a SLB.   

7. Adam Anderson DE Georgia 6’4” 236- has some legal issues. But the word is all chargers are going to be dropped. And having this many picks allows to gamble it does. Anderson is a first round talent. Incredible off the edge. And will develop and get bigger still. Has 35” arms. Great length.     

 

 

[SEMO 6,811]

They have to get a blue chip receiver in round 1.

Other than that, I like your draft, though I think you reached on a couple of them.  But, who knows how teams are ranking.

 

[xen 1,010,218]

Yeah I been mocking the first 6 picks in some combination seems like quite a bit.  I always seem to try and get in Tariq Woolen or Zyon McCollum.

I actually like McCollum about as well.  Not as fast or big but still has plenty of both amd can probably be had in the 3rd or 4th vs most likely the 2nd for Tariq.

Think you're a little high on Jones, Lucas, and Emerson and probably too low on Cross and Mafe but aa Seems says, who the fuck knows in this draft. Guys are so close in grades that they're gonna be all over the place.

If Nick Cross goes that late in the 3rd that would be a massive steal.

You kinda started losing me late.   Not a big fan of Velus Jones.  He'll be 25 next month and is not much of a route runner.  Probably just a return and gadget or slot only guy.  I wouldn't touch him until 5th round or later, preferably 7th.  You could probably get a guy with more upside like Bo Melton in that spot.  He'll if you're feeling adventurous, Calvin Austin may fall due to his size and the glut of receivers but he's perfect for our offense.

Ford is ok.  Rather see another receiver at that spot with what you have here.

Isaiah Weston is of course really intriguing after the combine. He looks a lot like Christian Watson except without the COD.  Except I think Weston needs a few years of development before he's ready to contribute.  Both played in shitty college offenses.

[SEMO 6,811]

49 minutes ago, xen said:

Yeah I been mocking the first 6 picks in some combination seems like quite a bit.  I always seem to try and get in Tariq Woolen or Zyon McCollum.

I actually like McCollum about as well.  Not as fast or big but still has plenty of both amd can probably be had in the 3rd or 4th vs most likely the 2nd for Tariq.

Think you're a little high on Jones, Lucas, and Emerson and probably too low on Cross and Mafe but aa Seems says, who the fuck knows in this draft. Guys are so close in grades that they're gonna be all over the place.

If Nick Cross goes that late in the 3rd that would be a massive steal.

You kinda started losing me late.   Not a big fan of Velus Jones.  He'll be 25 next month and is not much of a route runner.  Probably just a return and gadget or slot only guy.  I wouldn't touch him until 5th round or later, preferably 7th.  You could probably get a guy with more upside like Bo Melton in that spot.  He'll if you're feeling adventurous, Calvin Austin may fall due to his size and the glut of receivers but he's perfect for our offense.

Ford is ok.  Rather see another receiver at that spot with what you have here.

Isaiah Weston is of course really intriguing after the combine. He looks a lot like Christian Watson except without the COD.  Except I think Weston needs a few years of development before he's ready to contribute.  Both played in shitty college offenses.

Yeah, I agree with most of that.  Here is my WIP Mock so far:

 

1(15) – Jameson Williams WR Alabama

- 29 and 50 to Philly for 15.

The most freaky WR in the draft. If they covet him, this would probably be the lowest pick where they could get him.

 

1(30) – Boye Mafe EDGE Minnesota

Raw, but has all of the tools. Good enough to be an impact player from day one.

 

2(62) – Travis Jones DT Uconn

Excels against the pass and run. Can be a force next to Jones.

 

3(94) – Troy Andersen LB Montana St

Athlete. Versatile. Best projects at LB in the NFL. I think he played every position at Montana St.

 

3(98) – Coby Bryant CB Cincinnati

- 103 and 251 for 98

Day one contributor in the corner rotation. Zone or Man. Similar skillset to Sneed as he could play safety also.

 

4(112) – Bryan Cook S Cincinnati

-121 and 243 for 112.

Really like him. Competitive. Can play deep, robber, slot. Lunch pail guy.

 

4(135) – Rachaad White RB Arizona St.

He is the kind of back that Reid likes. Receiving threat, shifty runner. Has to work on pass pro.

 

7(233) - Erik Ezukanma WR Texas Tech

Developmental slot.

 

7(259) – Vederian Lowe OT Illnois

Developmental RT.

[Palangi 788]

1 hour ago, xen said:

Yeah I been mocking the first 6 picks in some combination seems like quite a bit.  I always seem to try and get in Tariq Woolen or Zyon McCollum.

I actually like McCollum about as well.  Not as fast or big but still has plenty of both amd can probably be had in the 3rd or 4th vs most likely the 2nd for Tariq.

Think you're a little high on Jones, Lucas, and Emerson and probably too low on Cross and Mafe but aa Seems says, who the fuck knows in this draft. Guys are so close in grades that they're gonna be all over the place.

If Nick Cross goes that late in the 3rd that would be a massive steal.

You kinda started losing me late.   Not a big fan of Velus Jones.  He'll be 25 next month and is not much of a route runner.  Probably just a return and gadget or slot only guy.  I wouldn't touch him until 5th round or later, preferably 7th.  You could probably get a guy with more upside like Bo Melton in that spot.  He'll if you're feeling adventurous, Calvin Austin may fall due to his size and the glut of receivers but he's perfect for our offense.

Ford is ok.  Rather see another receiver at that spot with what you have here.

Isaiah Weston is of course really intriguing after the combine. He looks a lot like Christian Watson except without the COD.  Except I think Weston needs a few years of development before he's ready to contribute.  Both played in shitty college offenses.

Didn’t realize Velus was that old. I flipped between melton and Velus there. If Austin falls to the I would be really excited. 
 

i did this draft with the thought of WR not being as big a need. Something different. Maybe trying to hit on something later and an eye next year to a WR. As I stated at the start I don’t think after Wilson or Williams a WR would beat out MVS, JuJu, or Hardman. So really beefing up the trenches seemed like something nobody else has really done. 
 

i didn’t really want to get into the trade side of it. But yes off we could trade back into the early second with one of our firsts then that would be better for Jones 

[SEMO 6,811]

1 hour ago, Palangi said:

Didn’t realize Velus was that old. I flipped between melton and Velus there. If Austin falls to the I would be really excited. 
 

i did this draft with the thought of WR not being as big a need. Something different. Maybe trying to hit on something later and an eye next year to a WR. As I stated at the start I don’t think after Wilson or Williams a WR would beat out MVS, JuJu, or Hardman. So really beefing up the trenches seemed like something nobody else has really done. 
 

i didn’t really want to get into the trade side of it. But yes off we could trade back into the early second with one of our firsts then that would be better for Jones 

Drake London is up there with those two.  I would be ecstatic if they somehow landed him.

[jetlord 10,207]

Williams, Wilson, London, and Olave could all contribute the first year and would be worth a first round pick.  Williams is the only one I'd want them to move up for since he seems to be the best fit into what the Chiefs need.  There's others to be had in the second if the Chiefs keep their #50 pick.  I like the Mafe pick because he could be an instant starter.  If he's gone, then Cam Thomas fits the Spags mold.  Zyon and Cross are okay, but I prefer Coby Bryant.  One of the first round picks should go for a DB.  Either Cine or Hill could play slot corner, box safety, or deep safety.  Corners of quality will go fast.  So will EDGE.  WR has options all through the first two days.  Any DT should be primarily a pass rusher to go along with Jones on third downs.  The Chiefs have enough run stuffers.  I like Lucas as the new RT.  Either he or Niang can be the swing tackle.  

[Palangi 788]

51 minutes ago, jetlord said:

Williams, Wilson, London, and Olave could all contribute the first year and would be worth a first round pick.  Williams is the only one I'd want them to move up for since he seems to be the best fit into what the Chiefs need.  There's others to be had in the second if the Chiefs keep their #50 pick.  I like the Mafe pick because he could be an instant starter.  If he's gone, then Cam Thomas fits the Spags mold.  Zyon and Cross are okay, but I prefer Coby Bryant.  One of the first round picks should go for a DB.  Either Cine or Hill could play slot corner, box safety, or deep safety.  Corners of quality will go fast.  So will EDGE.  WR has options all through the first two days.  Any DT should be primarily a pass rusher to go along with Jones on third downs.  The Chiefs have enough run stuffers.  I like Lucas as the new RT.  Either he or Niang can be the swing tackle.  

I’m not a fan of Olave in or offense. He has no run after the catch ability what so ever. 
Travis homes gives us an elite player inside to pair with Chris Jones. Our flexibility for the future. 
 

Veach doesn’t draft corners early. 

[jetlord 10,207]

4 hours ago, Palangi said:

I’m not a fan of Olave in or offense. He has no run after the catch ability what so ever. 
Travis homes gives us an elite player inside to pair with Chris Jones. Our flexibility for the future. 
 

Veach doesn’t draft corners early. 

I like Jones okay, just not as a first rounder.  Veach doesn't draft corners early, but Dax Hill or Cine could be another Sneed, a versatile safety that could play corner, especially covering the slot receiver.  Either would be worth a first IMHO.

[xen 1,010,218]

7 hours ago, Palangi said:

I’m not a fan of Olave in or offense. He has no run after the catch ability what so ever. 
Travis homes gives us an elite player inside to pair with Chris Jones. Our flexibility for the future. 
 

Veach doesn’t draft corners early. 

Olave doesn't produce a ton of YAC but there's also not a lot of correlation between receivers that produce a lot of YAC in college and AV (approximate value).  

I have seen the criticism of Olave online for this and frankly I think it entirely misses the point.  YAC is nice but ability to create separation is a much better predictor of AV in receivers and this Olave has better than probably any receiver in this class.  

So it's not so much his ability to create a ton after the catch, it's his ability to nearly always be open.  This is big in Andy's offense.  Some teams place a high priority on YAC cause they have shitty QBs and have to have that.  With Pat, YAC is nice but I'd rather have a consistent separator that understands how to beat coverage and come down with the ball.

[Palangi 788]

19 minutes ago, xen said:

Olave doesn't produce a ton of YAC but there's also not a lot of correlation between receivers that produce a lot of YAC in college and AV (approximate value).  

I have seen the criticism of Olave online for this and frankly I think it entirely misses the point.  YAC is nice but ability to create separation is a much better predictor of AV in receivers and this Olave has better than probably any receiver in this class.  

So it's not so much his ability to create a ton after the catch, it's his ability to nearly always be open.  This is big in Andy's offense.  Some teams place a high priority on YAC cause they have shitty QBs and have to have that.  With Pat, YAC is nice but I'd rather have a consistent separator that understands how to beat coverage and come down with the ball.

That’s fair. I just think YAC is important. And makes the offense much better if you have a playmaker that can take a slant 80 yards. Hell even an extra 15 is gray as you just cut out getting an extra first down. 
 

but separation is important too and you are right Olave is elite at that. 

[xen 1,010,218]

1 hour ago, Palangi said:

That’s fair. I just think YAC is important. And makes the offense much better if you have a playmaker that can take a slant 80 yards. Hell even an extra 15 is gray as you just cut out getting an extra first down. 
 

but separation is important too and you are right Olave is elite at that. 

Or just go get my guy Jameson and get both