Ross and Kinnard look Pretty Good

[AFCWEST 1,238]

5 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said:

The Chiefs like to gamble on  players who are great but a health risk.  As much as we all love Trey Smith, he may have gotten those blood clots from an inherited tendency to clot, something called Anti-thrombin III deficiency.  In two or three years, as he gets a little older, he would throw another clot to his lungs and either die or have to leave football.  A gamble on having a championship level team at the risk of a gamble on players's lives is not exactly even-Steven.  There is a reason Smth fell to the 6th round.  I sure hope none of them have this happen. They are just kids. It's hard to remember that.  Kids feel like superman at that age. Nothing bad can happen them, right?

Sure: They are humans too. They are adults. They are making decisions based on some known risks. Nobody is guaranteed tomorrow. They are choosing to go for it.  I would too. If something unfortunate happens its not on anyone. 

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59 minutes ago, AFCWEST said:

Sure: They are humans too. They are adults. They are making decisions based on some known risks. Nobody is guaranteed tomorrow. They are choosing to go for it.  I would too. If something unfortunate happens its not on anyone. 

Yeah, I know 21 year olds are great at evaluating risk.  They have so much experience. And, of course, the money flashing in their eyes does not bias them at all. Come on.  Get real.

[AFCWEST 1,238]

11 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said:

Yeah, I know 21 year olds are great at evaluating risk.  They have so much experience. And, of course, the money flashing in their eyes does not bias them at all. Come on.  Get real.

So they need baby sitters. Its life. They get to make their own decisions. Maybe you would like to set the age from 18 -30. LOL 

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1 minute ago, AFCWEST said:

So they need baby sitters. Its life. They get to make their own decisions. Maybe you would like to set the age from 18 -30. LOL 

Making their own decisions about something they know exactly zero about is a different matter, and I know you are very smart and understand that, no matter what you say for the sake of argument on a forum. The decisions we make depend on our knowledge of the reward/consequence ratio.

[AFCWEST 1,238]

3 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said:

Making their own decisions about something they know exactly zero about is a different matter, and I know you are very smart and understand that, no matter what you say for the sake of argument on a forum. The decisions we make depend on our knowledge of the reward/consequence ratio.

Whatever. I guess those college educations dont teach them how to listen to their doctors etc. Its life. Everyone dies. Some prefer to go for it some do not.

[xen 1,010,220]

2 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said:

Making their own decisions about something they know exactly zero about is a different matter, and I know you are very smart and understand that, no matter what you say for the sake of argument on a forum. The decisions we make depend on our knowledge of the reward/consequence ratio.

Go ask Ryan Shazier how fast it can end.  He was perfectly healthy.  No one is guaranteed anything in life, and that includes you and me, and we don't even play a violent sport.  Well, i guess you do... if you count jazz.  Which I do.

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13 minutes ago, AFCWEST said:

Whatever. I guess those college educations dont teach them how to listen to their doctors etc. Its life. Everyone dies. Some prefer to go for it some do not.

College educations don't teach you about that kind of thing.  Also, I'll tell you.  Its been a long time, but when I was a pathologist, my special  area in clinical pathology was coagulation disorders.  I also know doctors and how much they know generally.  Based on that, the chances that they obtained an anti-thrombin III level or levels of other natural anti-coagulants on Trey Smith is essentially zero. Remember, he was evaluated by general internists and sport medicine specialists.  He was not at the Mayo Clinic.  A 20 year old getting blood clots in his lungs out of the blue for absolutely no obvious reason is very unusual. 

[xen 1,010,220]

13 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said:

College educations don't teach you about that kind of thing.  Also, I'll tell you.  Its been a long time, but when I was a pathologist, my special  area in clinical pathology was coagulation disorders.  I also know doctors and how much they know generally.  Based on that, the chances that they obtained an anti-thrombin III level or levels of other natural anti-coagulants on Trey Smith is essentially zero. Remember, he was evaluated by general internists and sport medicine specialists.  He was not at the Mayo Clinic.  A 20 year old getting blood clots in his lungs out of the blue for absolutely no obvious reason is very unusual. 

The school actually brought in multiple specialists from around the country.  With the potential liability you really think they would have let him play without doing their due diligence?

[jetlord 10,209]

2 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said:

College educations don't teach you about that kind of thing.  Also, I'll tell you.  Its been a long time, but when I was a pathologist, my special  area in clinical pathology was coagulation disorders.  I also know doctors and how much they know generally.  Based on that, the chances that they obtained an anti-thrombin III level or levels of other natural anti-coagulants on Trey Smith is essentially zero. Remember, he was evaluated by general internists and sport medicine specialists.  He was not at the Mayo Clinic.  A 20 year old getting blood clots in his lungs out of the blue for absolutely no obvious reason is very unusual. 

Bil, I respect your expertise in these things, but remind you that these "kids" have had experts in the field advising them, their schools, and their coaches at a high level for years.  The risks have surely been laid out before everyone involved including the parents and advisors.  I'm not doubting that you are correct that there is risk for Ross and Smith, but think the level of risk is better left to those who specialize in neck fusions, blood clots, or whatever applies in specific cases.  You made a similar argument about taking on Hill and he changed Chiefs history.  We can't, nor would we want to, live risk free or in a bubble. 

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6 minutes ago, jetlord said:

Bil, I respect your expertise in these things, but remind you that these "kids" have had experts in the field advising them, their schools, and their coaches at a high level for years.  The risks have surely been laid out before everyone involved including the parents and advisors.  I'm not doubting that you are correct that there is risk for Ross and Smith, but think the level of risk is better left to those who specialize in neck fusions, blood clots, or whatever applies in specific cases.  You made a similar argument about taking on Hill and he changed Chiefs history.  We can't, nor would we want to, live risk free or in a bubble. 

You make good points.   But money talks, and I think the stakeholders have a lot of say in choosing what they want to hear and which specialists to pay the most attention to.  But that is just my bias.  I hope I'm wrong and that they had it all figured out and ruled out all the possiblities. I'm ready to drop my concerns in my posts, but not in my mind. 'Nuff said.

[jetlord 10,209]

There was a time when the main responsibility of team doctors was to get the player back on the field and accepting the risks.  I think that has changed.  The concussion protocols are a prime example.  There's also the awareness that if a players is inappropriately used when at risk that the doc and certainly the team that hired him could be liable.  Mistakes will be made and everyone wants to see the star players back in the game, but I believe the risks are being weighed more cautiously than ever.   

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28 minutes ago, jetlord said:

There was a time when the main responsibility of team doctors was to get the player back on the field and accepting the risks.  I think that has changed.  The concussion protocols are a prime example.  There's also the awareness that if a players is inappropriately used when at risk that the doc and certainly the team that hired him could be liable.  Mistakes will be made and everyone wants to see the star players back in the game, but I believe the risks are being weighed more cautiously than ever.   

You are obviously right about that.  Different kind of risk, though, than simply drafting someone.  A draft is always a hopeful gamble, not one that ends up in a court of law. The greatest ideal is to get a "steal."  That says something. A risk is considered acceptable in a draft situation. That is what it is all about. But the risk in these cases is not all on the team.  The players are exposed to some of it, in some cases more than they realize.

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On 5/17/2022 at 6:12 PM, Fmbl2187 said:

College educations don't teach you about that kind of thing.  Also, I'll tell you.  Its been a long time, but when I was a pathologist, my special  area in clinical pathology was coagulation disorders.  I also know doctors and how much they know generally.  Based on that, the chances that they obtained an anti-thrombin III level or levels of other natural anti-coagulants on Trey Smith is essentially zero. Remember, he was evaluated by general internists and sport medicine specialists.  He was not at the Mayo Clinic.  A 20 year old getting blood clots in his lungs out of the blue for absolutely no obvious reason is very unusual. 

What the HELL did you just say??

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14 hours ago, jetlord said:

There was a time when the main responsibility of team doctors was to get the player back on the field and accepting the risks.  I think that has changed.  The concussion protocols are a prime example.  There's also the awareness that if a players is inappropriately used when at risk that the doc and certainly the team that hired him could be liable.  Mistakes will be made and everyone wants to see the star players back in the game, but I believe the risks are being weighed more cautiously than ever.   

That caution is probably what makes it all okay. We didn't know about concussion issues in the past but now that we do the measures are taken. I'm guessing the teams ask their own doctors to evaluate before making the picks but there are always risks as the impact of certain situations aren't known yet. However they probably take better care of players with special circumstances. 

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10 hours ago, THEWIZARD said:

What the HELL did you just say??

Nevermind  

[xen 1,010,220]

The Mike Rose undrafted mystery solved.  Fyi Jim Nagy is the Senior Bowl director.

 

[arrowhead 1,070]

35 minutes ago, xen said:

The Mike Rose undrafted mystery solved.  Fyi Jim Nagy is the Senior Bowl director.

 

Guess it was a thorny issue. 

[Troyofoc 361]

2 hours ago, xen said:

The Mike Rose undrafted mystery solved.  Fyi Jim Nagy is the Senior Bowl director.

 

Watch his highlights, he definitely looks pretty good to me. His athleticism stands out was surprised he went undrafted.

[xen 1,010,220]

2 hours ago, arrowhead said:

Guess it was a thorny issue. 

You should be heartily booed for that

[Fmbl2187 2,279]

2 hours ago, xen said:

You should be heartily booed for that

He should have that nipped in the bud.

[Fmbl2187 2,279]

If he got waived and kept getting signed by other teams, he would be a Ramblin' Rose. But I think if he turns out to be good, he would look best in red.

Right?

[xen 1,010,220]

 

[sith13 1,746]

Getting Mahomes' attention is probably the best way to stick around in the final 53  

[jetlord 10,209]

16 hours ago, xen said:

 

But did he get two feet in?  😄

[kkuenn 3,597]

3 minutes ago, jetlord said:

But did he get two feet in?  😄

Yes sir