Miami signing Ingram?

[Lamardirts 2,114]

Just saw on Twitter.  Well then I guess we will enjoy the pick and not the player .

 

[oldtimer 8,686]

 

 

Dolphins Rumors: Former Steelers, Chiefs LB Melvin Ingram Agrees to Contract

The Miami Dolphins are continuing a strong offseason by reportedly adding a veteran pass-rusher.

According to insider Jordan Schultz, three-time Pro Bowl defensive end/linebacker Melvin Ingram will be signing with the Dolphins. The terms of Ingram's deal were not disclosed.

 

I so this really bites ass. 

 

[AFCWEST 1,238]

Dolphins signed EDGE Melvin Ingram, formerly of the Chiefs. 

The Dolphins brought in Ingram for a visit before the draft, while the Chiefs applied the UFA tag to Ingram after it. No matter, the Dolphins took the leap on Ingram, who figures to rotate with Emmanuel Ogbah and Jaelan Phillips as well as play on passing downs. New DC Josh Boyer definitely has a lot of talent to work with as he tries to step out of the shadow of Brian Flores. 

[jetlord 10,209]

Bummer.  Now the Chiefs are in danger of having to overpay Clowney or Suh.  I'll bet Veach was counting on Ingram and will have to retool the D line. 

[Obi Won Mahome 134]

Son of a bitch!!!!!  They really need to do something to improve the defensive line because what they have done so far is completely inadequate.

 

This is not an indictment on Karlaftis, but they haven’t done jack-shit besides drafting Karlaftis to address the defensive line.

 

I like Veach & all…. However, he’s really shit the bed in addressing & improving our defensive line.  We had one (1) sack on Burrows in the AFCCG.  The Titans sacked Burrow like nine (9) times the previous week.

 

Veach said revamping the DL was a priority of his at the very beginning of the offseason. His actions say otherwise.

 

The problem is DL was our biggest weakness as a team.  We were 29th in QB pressures and/or sacks in 2021.  Veach’s statement that it was a priority at the beginning of the offseason shows they were aware DL is a major issue. Right now our DL looks worse than it did at the end of the season.

 

Having the best defensive backfield in the world won’t mean shit if the opposing QB has 30 seconds to throw the ball.  I have zero confidence in Machine Gun Clark putting forth 100% effort.  So basically we have CJ95 & a rookie.

 

I am pretty pissed about this. Veach better f-ing do something to address this issue & he better do it quick.

[SEMO 6,811]

So, I guess Veach didn’t want to match Miami’s offer?

[Palangi 788]

I wonder if the staff is higher on Karlaftis, Kaindoh, and Herring

[dhitter 1,424]

Sucks about Ingram. But even if he had stayed the Chiefs Dline was hardly going to be world beaters. This just takes it from underwhelming to ridiculously unproven 

[Obi Won Mahome 134]

38 minutes ago, Palangi said:

I wonder if the staff is higher on Karlaftis, Kaindoh, and Herring

Kaindoh did absolutely nothing last year.  Who is Herring?

 

You sure have your eggs in a lot of unproven baskets, buttercup.

[Palangi 788]

2 minutes ago, Obi Won Mahome said:

Kaindoh did absolutely nothing last year.  Who is Herring?

 

You sure have your eggs in a lot of unproven baskets, buttercup.

What?

i said I wonder…..

 ease up there buddy!

[Iluvhouse24 1,808]

42 minutes ago, Palangi said:

I wonder if the staff is higher on Karlaftis, Kaindoh, and Herring

I think some of this is their belief that they can get more out of the guys already here with Cullen in charge of the d line. The Chiefs may think Karlaftis is a little more ready than people realize. 

They definitely do need to sign a vet to mentor him and rotate with him though. The pickings are really slim. JPP, Clowney, Dunlap, etc... Gotta get someone in here who isn't expected to be a world beater, but can still play meaningful, productive snaps. 

I never would have imagined we'd go into the draft with 12 picks and come out of it with DE STILL being our biggest need. It's a little perplexing but I'm not in Veachs head.

[Palangi 788]

Just now, Iluvhouse24 said:

I think some of this is their belief that they can get more out of the guys already here with Cullen in charge of the d line.

The Chiefs may think Karlaftis is a little more ready than people realize. 

They definitely do need to sign a vet to mentor him and rotate with him though. The pickings are really slim. JPP, Clowney, Dunlap, etc... Gotta get someone in here who isn't expected to be a world beater, but can still play meaningful, productive snaps. 

I never would have imagined we'd go into the draft with 12 picks and come out of it with DE STILL being our biggest need. It's a little perplexing but I'm not in Veachs head.

At this point I would wait and see if someone gets cut. 
training camp will be interesting and might show what their train of thought really is?

 Clark, Karlaftis, Danna, Kaindoh, Herring, Calhoun

 that’s the DE group for camp right now

[Obi Won Mahome 134]

7 minutes ago, Palangi said:

What?

i said I wonder…..

 ease up there buddy!

You tell me to ease up when you keep on telling me to suck it up buttercup.  You continue to be a jackass when I express my opinion or state facts then tell me to ease up? Whatever, dude.

 

The facts speak for themselves.  We were 29th in QB pressures & our DL has gotten worse in the offseason.  
 

I guess the worst the DL can perform is 3 spots below their 2021 performance.  We’ll see who’s the buttercup when the DL shits the bed this season.

 

I am assuming Veach takes no further action on the DL this offseason based upon what he’s done so far.

[Palangi 788]

6 minutes ago, Obi Won Mahome said:

You tell me to ease up when you keep on telling me to suck it up buttercup.  You continue to be a jackass when I express my opinion or state facts then tell me to ease up? Whatever, dude.

 

The facts speak for themselves.  We were 29th in QB pressures & our DL has gotten worse in the offseason.  
 

I guess the worst the DL can perform is 3 spots below their 2021 performance.  We’ll see who’s the buttercup when the DL shits the bed this season.

 

I am assuming Veach takes no further action on the DL this offseason based upon what he’s done so far.

[Palangi 788]

4 minutes ago, Obi Won Mahome said:

You tell me to ease up when you keep on telling me to suck it up buttercup.  You continue to be a jackass when I express my opinion or state facts then tell me to ease up? Whatever, dude.

 

The facts speak for themselves.  We were 29th in QB pressures & our DL has gotten worse in the offseason.  
 

I guess the worst the DL can perform is 3 spots below their 2021 performance.  We’ll see who’s the buttercup when the DL shits the bed this season.

 

I am assuming Veach takes no further action on the DL this offseason based upon what he’s done so far.

[kkuenn 3,597]

Well at least he will count now in the compensation formula for picks next year. We still have cuts and a few vets to go after. Not to worried about it I think K will do special things but we do need some depth just in case too. Also next year it will be DT and DE we need in FA and/or the draft for sure as it sits now.

[Palangi 788]

4 minutes ago, kkuenn said:

Well at least he will count now in the compensation formula for picks next year. We still have cuts and a few vets to go after. Not to worried about it I think K will do special things but we do need some depth just in case too. Also next year it will be DT and DE we need in FA and/or the draft for sure as it sits now.

Getting a pass rush specialist this year would be nice. Maybe a guy like takkarist McKinley. Let him pin his ears back in pass only situations. 
 

but you are right you would think a DE in FA or early in the draft will happen again to replace Clark. Unless I guess Kaindoh takes a couple big steps forward

[Obi Won Mahome 134]

1 hour ago, Palangi said:

I’m not panicking… I am pissed & frustrated.  I’m calling it now:  our defense is not going to be able to get off the field because the QB has all day to throw it.

 

Don’t believe me?  Here’s an article where Veach acknowledges that the D-line needed improvement at the end of the 2021 season:

 

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/platform/amp/2022/2/2/22913034/brett-veach-calls-chiefs-defensive-line-offensive-priority-no-1

 

Clark had 4.5 sacks last year.  4.5.  Do you think that’s a good sack total for a starting NFL defensive end?  Do you think Frank Clark is going to play better or worse this year?  
 

I will bet you a fine chicken dinner that Clark does even worse stats-wise in 2022 than in 2021.  I will also bet he gets some sort of suspension handed down by the NFL for his legal troubles (I think he gets convicted or pleads guilty to a lesser charge), thereby reducing his playing time & production further.

 

Hell, I will be utterly shocked if we even get 100% out of Machine Gun Clark in 1/2 the games he plays in this year.

 

To sum it up:  we’ll have an older & probably worthless Clark, no J. Reed, no Melvin, a rookie, and CJ95.  
 

That is neglecting our D-Line & right now it is worse than it was in 2021 (when it was 29th in the league in QB pressures/sacks).

[Palangi 788]

5 minutes ago, Obi Won Mahome said:

I’m not panicking… I am pissed & frustrated.  I’m calling it now:  our defense is not going to be able to get off the field because the QB has all day to throw it.

 

Don’t believe me?  Here’s an article where Veach acknowledges that the D-line needed improvement at the end of the 2021 season:

 

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/platform/amp/2022/2/2/22913034/brett-veach-calls-chiefs-defensive-line-offensive-priority-no-1

 

Clark had 4.5 sacks last year.  4.5.  Do you think that’s a good sack total for an NFL defensive end?  Do you think Frank Clark is going to play better or worse this year?  
 

I will bet you a fine chicken dinner that Clark does even worse stats-wise.  I will also bet he gets some sort of suspension handed down by the NFL for his legal troubles, thereby reducing his playing time & production further.

 

Hell, I will be utterly shocked if we even get 100% out of Machine Gun Clark in 1/2 the games this year.

 

To sum it up:  we’ll have an older & probably worthless Clark, no J. Reed, no Melvin, a rookie, and CJ95.  
 

That is neglecting our D-Line & it is worse than it was in 2021 (when it was 29th in the league in pressure/sacks).

Ok

[Biggjliv4 1,292]

Bad move by KC. Repeat of last year letting the Steelers get him only to have to trade for him.  DE depth is bad, not sure how not getting him signed makes us better. 

[Palangi 788]

Just now, Biggjliv4 said:

Bad move by KC. Repeat of last year letting the Steelers get him only to have to trade for him.  DE depth is bad, not sure how not getting him signed makes us better. 

I like Ingram a lot last year. I thought he provided a spark to the defense. But he is 34 years old and only gave us 1.5 sacks last year. 
Karlaftis brings tons of energy too and all he needs to do is fall into 1.5 sacks to replace Ingram. Karlaftis has one of the highest pressure rates last year in college. I believe that will translate over. 
 

the improved LB core will help a ton too

[CranjisMcbasketball 780]

How did the dolphins end up with our two best d ends in recent years, ogbah and ingram, and our best wr.

we better have a plan to Aquire an end because right now our best is karlaftis who is still a complete unknown and the rest range from bad to average at best

im thinking chenal must be being talked about as a d end or something.

and please chiefs, we dont need the chris jones at d end experiment again.

[Obi Won Mahome 134]

3 hours ago, jetlord said:

Bummer.  Now the Chiefs are in danger of having to overpay Clowney or Suh.  I'll bet Veach was counting on Ingram and will have to retool the D line. 

I’d be ok with either of those 2 and/or Hicks.  Right now we are really thin at pass rush.

[Lamardirts 2,114]

I like Ingram and his return would have helped but he is older and a full season probably would not have yielded the late season he had last year.   This is not bashing a guy we didn’t get but stating the facts like others have already done.  We were so bad last year that his nominal play made us all overvalue his actual performance.  He is far better than Kaindoh, Danna, Herring and even the unknown of Karlaftis at this point but the sky isn’t falling.  
 

Veach didn’t place the tender on him because he wanted Ingram to know we wanted him. It was placed because they knew there was a good chance someone else would sign him.  
 

There are still rotational guys on the market and after a deep DE/Rush draft there will be veterans after the cuts in June.  I personally would love to trade for Robert Quinn.   Veach isn’t panicking over missing out.  We had the money if we wanted him.   I’m going to be patient.   This problem as a whole won’t get fixed this off-season but I believe we fixed a lot of the other holes on this D and that will help tremendously.

[Palangi 788]

1 hour ago, Lamardirts said:

I like Ingram and his return would have helped but he is older and a full season probably would not have yielded the late season he had last year.   This is not bashing a guy we didn’t get but stating the facts like others have already done.  We were so bad last year that his nominal play made us all overvalue his actual performance.  He is far better than Kaindoh, Danna, Herring and even the unknown of Karlaftis at this point but the sky isn’t falling.  
 

Veach didn’t place the tender on him because he wanted Ingram to know we wanted him. It was placed because they knew there was a good chance someone else would sign him.  
 

There are still rotational guys on the market and after a deep DE/Rush draft there will be veterans after the cuts in June.  I personally would love to trade for Robert Quinn.   Veach isn’t panicking over missing out.  We had the money if we wanted him.   I’m going to be patient.   This problem as a whole won’t get fixed this off-season but I believe we fixed a lot of the other holes on this D and that will help tremendously.

I think you are right. The improved pass coverage might lead to more pressures and/or sacks