THEWIZARD 247 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, AFCWEST said: I think sacks are the major focus of most including the so called experts. Knocking down a pass, defending the edge and playing the rush as important. Yes KC needs pass rush and all of the other things too. AFC West will not see homefield advantage anytime soon. These teams will keep beating each other including KC. I see Chiefs 3-3 against the west. I'm thinking 4-2. They'll sweep either the Donks or the raiders. I'm not that sold on Denver. A new system with a r ookie HC and coordinators, a new (old)QB and a mediocre OL WalRuss may not make it through the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 11 hours ago, dhitter said: I read an interview with a Seattle beat writer. Said their DC (Ken Norton Jr.) was misusing Dunlap. Early on using him more like a 3-4 outside linebacker type. Norton got fired in the off-season by the way. Once he realized Dunlap needed to be a true defensive end his productivity went way up. 8 sacks in the final 6 games. Dunlap is also pretty smart and tries to affect plays any way he can ....like batting passes. Don't know about all that but he was playing through a foot injury in the first half of season as well which is tough on a lineman since it affects so much in pass rush. He led the league in batted passes last year and has some weird ridiculous stat like nearly 70 career batted passes iirc (usually the league credits these as passes defensed). Good edge setter, he's a spags type of power rusher, consistent guy who rarely misses games. He may be a rotational guy at this point in his career but tbh this is probably the best case scenario for us as all the other vets like him either have injury concerns or are Jadeveon fucking Clowney. AFCWEST and dhitter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 All I know is that Clark played 59% of the snaps and had 4.5 sacks, 0 pass defenses, 2 FF, 17 QB hits. Dunlap played 38% of snaps and had 8.5 sacks, 7 pass defenses, 1 FF, 14 QB hits. That is excellent production compared to what we had. Great signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, DieHard said: All I know is that Clark played 59% of the snaps and had 4.5 sacks, 0 pass defenses, 2 FF, 17 QB hits. Dunlap played 38% of snaps and had 8.5 sacks, 7 pass defenses, 1 FF, 14 QB hits. That is excellent production compared to what we had. Great signing. Yes. Too bad its a pathetic Clark comparison though. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 The snaps with Jones, Karl and Dunlap on the field will be stout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, DieHard said: The snaps with Jones, Karl and Dunlap on the field will be stout. If Wharton or Saunders finally clicked, they could almost reach average. Maybe that's good enough for a rookie laced secondary. At least, it's an improvement from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 17 hours ago, qnet said: I also like the Dunlap signing. This is just my opinion, but on the subject of Spags. I think he's a smart defensive coach, and what may separate him and other DC's from someone like Bellichik is the ability to tolerate players mistakes more. It's just a hunch, and may not be true, but Bellichik seems like the type who will get rid of a player who's not doing what he wants, or doesn't have the intelligence to do so. Agree. I think Spags knows how to develop players faster by helping them learn from mistakes rather than benching them. I have to give Reid credit for that. Example: waiting for Ward and Fenton to develop into valuable players by tolerating and learning from their early mistakes. Mistakes are an investment in learning. They have to play and make mistakes to get those learning opportunities. If Bellichik doesn't believe in that from his coordinators, maybe that is why his team has been unsuccessful since Brady left. Brady could cover up a lot of weaknesses on the overall team. I think in the long run players develop better through teaching after mistakes rather than by fear of losing reps. Does a dog learn better from getting a treat for doing good or by fear of getting swatted for doing wrong? We know the answer to that. People are just like dogs in so many ways. (That's why we like them.) qnet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 2 hours ago, DieHard said: All I know is that Clark played 59% of the snaps and had 4.5 sacks, 0 pass defenses, 2 FF, 17 QB hits. Dunlap played 38% of snaps and had 8.5 sacks, 7 pass defenses, 1 FF, 14 QB hits. That is excellent production compared to what we had. Great signing. This is not really a reply to your post or to you Diehard but just a general comment. The sacks and pressures that players get is heavily dependent on pass coverage. We all know that, but it hasn't been mentioned enough. The only way to know how effective Dunlap will be is by knowing how good the secondary will be. How long will it take the secondary to gel? If everyone is covered, Dunlap will get a lot of sacks. If the secondary struggles, so will Dunlap's stats. We all also know that the bigger a lead we have, the more the opponent will try to pass. So, all of those defensive stats depend on the success of the offense...and vice versa. We like to concentrate in forums on individual stats, but this is a team game. Okiechief1, DieHard and AFCWEST 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 39 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said: This is not really a reply to your post or to you Diehard but just a general comment. The sacks and pressures that players get is heavily dependent on pass coverage. We all know that, but it hasn't been mentioned enough. The only way to know how effective Dunlap will be is by knowing how good the secondary will be. How long will it take the secondary to gel? If everyone is covered, Dunlap will get a lot of sacks. If the secondary struggles, so will Dunlap's stats. We all also know that the bigger a lead we have, the more the opponent will try to pass. So, all of those defensive stats depend on the success of the offense...and vice versa. We like to concentrate in forums on individual stats, but this is a team game. I think you put it perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgar 1,046 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 the linebackers will make everybody look much much, much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWIZARD 247 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 This might explain a lot. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/frank-clark-opened-up-on-how-he-lost-weight-to-get-ready-for-chiefs-season-i-stopped-drinking-liquor/ No wonder he's been sucking. He was drunk. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, THEWIZARD said: This might explain a lot. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/frank-clark-opened-up-on-how-he-lost-weight-to-get-ready-for-chiefs-season-i-stopped-drinking-liquor/ No wonder he's been sucking. He was drunk. I wish him well at maintaining. It's a lifetime job. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWIZARD 247 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Fmbl2187 said: I wish him well at maintaining. It's a lifetime job. If he was an alcoholic I agree 100 percent. But he just may be a guy that likes to party. Fmbl2187 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said: I wish him well at maintaining. It's a lifetime job. Its an excuse. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: Its an excuse. best loosen your turtleneck Mr Garrison THEWIZARD and xen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWIZARD 247 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, oldtimer said: best loosen your turtleneck Mr Garrison Do you know Clark personally? If liking to drink makes you an alcoholic I imagine most of the people on this board are. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, THEWIZARD said: Do you know Clark personally? If liking to drink makes you an alcoholic I imagine most of the people on this board are. Nope. If it is fucking up your life, and you can't be comfortable for very long without it, then you are an alcoholic. Whether that applies to Clark, I don't know. But he implies that it is fucking up his job. That's all I know. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWIZARD 247 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said: Nope. If it is fucking up your life, and you can't be comfortable for very long without it, then you are an alcoholic. Whether that applies to Clark, I don't know. But he implies that it is fucking up his job. That's all I know. He also said he quit eating red meat. It sounds like he just decided to change his lifestyle and eat a healthier diet. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: best loosen your turtleneck Mr Garrison He did not say he is an alcoholic. He used his drinking, weight and lifestyle as an excuse for SUCKING. Now he is going to be ALL-IN. Well I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, THEWIZARD said: He also said he quit eating red meat. It sounds like he just decided to change his lifestyle and eat a healthier diet. Could be. I hope so. I guess Mahomes won't be selling him any Whataburgers. THEWIZARD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEWIZARD 247 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 31 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: He did not say he is an alcoholic. He used his drinking, weight and lifestyle as an excuse for SUCKING. Now he is going to be ALL-IN. Well I hope so. This is basically a contract year for him. He would have to have a TJ Watt type of year to get what his contract is worth next year, and even then it may be iffy. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes4six! 968 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 All I know is Clark better show up this year. We are paying him too much bloody money to be drinking and eating red meat and then come out and say that was the reason. excuses is all it is. just pack your lunch box like we all do and go to work Clark. just pisses me off sometimes. I had steak, wine and beer tonight. AFCWEST and THEWIZARD 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Holmes4six! said: just pisses me off sometimes. I had steak, wine and beer tonight. Sounds like you should consider Left Tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 On 7/29/2022 at 2:24 AM, dhitter said: I read an interview with a Seattle beat writer. Said their DC (Ken Norton Jr.) was misusing Dunlap. Early on using him more like a 3-4 outside linebacker type. Norton got fired in the off-season by the way. Once he realized Dunlap needed to be a true defensive end his productivity went way up. 8 sacks in the final 6 games. Dunlap is also pretty smart and tries to affect plays any way he can ....like batting passes. It was more of a roster issue. I don't think Dunlap was bad at LB but not great either. However he definitely belongs to the DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes4six! 968 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Fmbl2187 said: Sounds like you should consider Left Tackle. Lol. They call me husky for a reason. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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