oldtimer 8,686 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/10/05/mecole-hardman-contract-year-not-going-well-chiefs/?fbclid=IwAR02SLCRlqisIXhto3DbPCO2IEK3PgplIInNUOWH1x1Io1M9xkihMXm_fRI Mecole Hardman’s contract year isn’t going well (so far) by Lucas Strozinsky1 day ago Follow @StrozinskyLucas Mecole Hardman is in the final year of his contract with the KC Chiefs and his season isn’t going well. What are his stats compared to previous years? After the trade of Tyreek Hill, the Kansas City Chiefs had many questions regarding the wide receiver position. They brought in players, like JuJu Smith-Schuster, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Skyy Moore, and Justin Watson, but many thought Mecole Hardman would be a player to take a step forward on the Chiefs this season. Unfortunately, so far, that hasn’t been the case. So far this season, Hardman has 8 catches for 71 yards and a touchdown on 12 targets. That’s a 17-game pace of 34 receptions, 302 yards, and four touchdowns. He has also averaged 0.78 yards per route run, 76th among all wide receivers with at least 13 targets this season, according to Pro Football Focus ($). Not an ideal first month of the season. For reference, here are his stats through four games in his first three seasons: 2021: 13 catches, 123 yards, and 1 touchdown. 1.09 yards per route run. 2020: 11 catches, 144 yards, and 2 touchdowns. 1.69 yards per route run. 2019: 8 catches, 167 yards, and 2 touchdowns. 1.40 yards per route run. Average: 10.7 catches, 144.7 yards, and 1.7 touchdowns. 1.37 yards per route run. Every single major statistical category over the first four games of the season is down from his first three years. Yes, a lot of that can be attributed to a nagging heel injury suffered earlier in the season, but he’s been healthy enough to dress for every game and see playing time. Patrick Mahomes missed Hardman running wide open to the end zone on a first-down play in the middle of the third quarter, but never looked his way, and instead threw an incomplete pass to Justin Watson. That’s 100% on Mahomes, although it could be a sign of a larger problem in that Mahomes has little trust in Hardman. That’s a concern because Hardman is in his fourth year with Mahomes and that should not be an issue this deep into his career. It could also signal that Hardman’s production may not quite return to the level it was at in previous years. One of the main reasons that his rough start to the season is significant is because he is scheduled to be a free agent next March. Many fans assumed that Hardman would take a small step forward this season, in addition to the loss of Tyreek Hill, because he would be playing for a heavy contract in several months. The contract year has not been enough for a production boost from Hardman. Hardman’s a talented player and did a fantastic job stepping up when Hill went down for multiple games early in 2019, but Chiefs fans may have to face the reality that this could be his last season in Kansas City. Spotrac projects that Hardman’s next contract will be around 4-years, $33.7 million for an average of about $8.4 million a season. In my opinion, Hardman isn’t worth that contract, but Spotrac listed Marquez Valdes-Scantling as a comparable and he got 3 years, $30 million from the Chiefs. Granted, MVS’ contract is fairly flexible after the first year. The Chiefs should probably look for a more cost-controlled solution at the wide receiver position instead of handing out a second contract, which includes a considerable raise, to a player who’s never hit 700 receiving yards in a single regular season—even though he has yet to miss one such game. Hardman is having the worst start to a season that he’s ever had in the NFL, which is a shame because he is slated to sign a new contract in the off-season. The heel injury deserves some of the blame but he’s never been a nuanced route runner and has pretty much been a speed-only receiver in the NFL. Due to the potential rise of Skyy Moore and barring an injury, I’m not convinced that Hardman will see a huge share of the targets for the remainder of the season. He has a role on a Super Bowl-contending team but that role cannot be a major part of the offense. Hopefully his production skyrockets throughout the remaining regular season games but this is likely Hardman’s last season in Kansas City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Mahomes won't even give Hardman a courtesy look on the field. Was wide open on a straight diagonal route to the endzone last game.. He's done. To me, he never improved throughout his tenure. That's all on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 The guy is playing hurt. Yes its a contract year. Maybe he doesnt get the big bucks. OK. He could stay on a low contract. I never get the Hardman hate. Its not like he is earning huge dollars. He is a good role player and punt returner. Its not his fault Hill was an ass and KC drafted him out of huge need. I like Hardman and expect hill will get some big plays down the stretch. Its not like MVS is lighting it up. Another Article for Your Consideration https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2022/10/7/23391978/chiefs-raiders-wr-mecole-hardman-not-worried-about-heel-injury-lingering qnet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Chiefmanzada said: Mahomes won't even give Hardman a courtesy look on the field. Was wide open on a straight diagonal route to the endzone last game.. He's done. To me, he never improved throughout his tenure. That's all on him Maybe PM did not see him? I know hard to believe PM could make a mistake. artsy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefmanzada 466 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: The guy is playing hurt. Yes its a contract year. Maybe he doesnt get the big bucks. OK. He could stay on a low contract. I never get the Hardman hate. Its not like he is earning huge dollars. He is a good role player and punt returner. Its not his fault Hill was an ass and KC drafted him out of huge need. I like Hardman and expect hill will get some big plays down the stretch. Its not like MVS is lighting it up. Another Article for Your Consideration https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2022/10/7/23391978/chiefs-raiders-wr-mecole-hardman-not-worried-about-heel-injury-lingering He's too weak, unfortunately. Never had the aggressiveness to succeed as an NFL receiver, from what I've seen - never improved. Sure he'll make some plays down the stretch but at the same time, I think Watson and Moore should get their opportunity if Hardman cannot get past the first level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Hardman will likely need to go for a prove-it deal after this season. Definitely won't be in KC but needs to step up his game to get anything more than the vet minimum. Not sure what Spotrac is basing that prediction on but Hardman should be more than happy even with a third of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chiefmanzada said: He's too weak, unfortunately. Never had the aggressiveness to succeed as an NFL receiver, from what I've seen - never improved. Sure he'll make some plays down the stretch but at the same time, I think Watson and Moore should get their opportunity if Hardman cannot get past the first level. First of all he has success. He is in the NFL. Its nice to have a guy willing to play a role and not screaming about targets and other BS. Teams need good role players. He also has made a lot of big plays. Remember the kick return that got KC back into that Houston playoff game. Every defense must account for his speed. So even as a decoy he is valuable. 693 receiving yards last year is good. He is not the GUY. He does ad value. Lets see what happens when he is 100%. ill take 693 again. Those stats dont include his sweeps and special teams stats. Year Team REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG 2022 Chiefs 8 71 8.9 30 1 1 -4 -4.0 2021 Chiefs 59 693 11.7 53 2 8 46 5.8 2020 Chiefs 41 560 13.7 49 4 4 31 7.8 2019 Chiefs 26 538 20.7 83 6 4 17 4.3 Career 134 1,862 13.9 83 13 17 90 5.3 West 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I don’t know. We have watched him for a few years and I think we know what he is and what he isn’t. He isn’t a 1 or 2 WR. 3 maybe with some returning and end-around skills. Not mad at him, but not dropping more than 1.5 per on him either. mex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsy 1,137 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, DieHard said: I don’t know. We have watched him for a few years and I think we know what he is and what he isn’t. He isn’t a 1 or 2 WR. 3 maybe with some returning and end-around skills. Not mad at him, but not dropping more than 1.5 per on him either. Yup, I agree. But i betcha some other team will offer him around 5-7 mill a year because, well Just because. I won't miss him tho... West and DieHard 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, artsy said: Yup, I agree. But i betcha some other team will offer him around 5-7 mill a year because, well Just because. I won't miss him tho... So the Chiefs get a mid round compensatory pick for him. They have plenty of #3/#4 guys and don't need to pay second contract rates for another. If he lights it up for the rest of the season, the Chiefs still don't have a #1. DieHard and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I always assumed this would be his last season here. either he would continue to be meh and be not worth bringing back, or he would ball out and command a contract we all know he isn’t worth. the only way he comes back is on a 1 year minimum deal a la demarcus robinson, and I think mecole will get more than that somewhere else based solely on potential DieHard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,780 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Hardman is just this eras DAT or McCluster. Gadget player who for every good play has 5 stupid to mediocre plays. I’d totally forgive his WR production if he wasn’t doing stupid things in the return game every year. He wouldn’t be here if Tyreek wasn’t potentially going to NFL or real jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnet 1,150 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/7/2022 at 12:05 PM, AFCWEST said: The guy is playing hurt. Yes its a contract year. Maybe he doesnt get the big bucks. OK. He could stay on a low contract. I never get the Hardman hate. Its not like he is earning huge dollars. He is a good role player and punt returner. Its not his fault Hill was an ass and KC drafted him out of huge need. I like Hardman and expect hill will get some big plays down the stretch. Its not like MVS is lighting it up. Another Article for Your Consideration https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2022/10/7/23391978/chiefs-raiders-wr-mecole-hardman-not-worried-about-heel-injury-lingering I agree with you, but surprised you feel that way. I think part of the criticism is because the Chiefs could have selected DK Metcalf. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, qnet said: I agree with you, but surprised you feel that way. I think part of the criticism is because the Chiefs could have selected DK Metcalf. Still. Has nothing to do with the player. Has been injured and still some big plays Monday Night. Low salary and unlikely to get a big contract next year. That PFF BS . So for this season he is a good role player. SHUSTER has been almost a ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 Be interesting to see if the chiefs make a move on a WR or a DE mid season. None of our receivers are bad per say, but also none scare any team. arthur75 and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: Be interesting to see if the chiefs make a move on a WR or a DE mid season. None of our receivers are bad per say, but also none scare any team. seems that the Panthers are offering everyone even McCaffery but rumored him going to the Bills AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnet 1,150 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: seems that the Panthers are offering everyone even McCaffery but rumored him going to the Bills Most likely not happening, but McCaffery would be cool & interesting. Imagine him helping the Chiefs win a SB after his dad tormenting us on those later 90's Bronco teams. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 10:20 PM, qnet said: Most likely not happening, but McCaffery would be cool & interesting. Imagine him helping the Chiefs win a SB after his dad tormenting us on those later 90's Bronco teams. Not sure how his contract is set up but do we even have enough cash for vet minimum at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 51 minutes ago, sith13 said: Not sure how his contract is set up but do we even have enough cash for vet minimum at this point? I read three years 12 million per Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balto 723 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Would rather have DJ Moore from the Panthers and he would actually fit into our current cap without adjusting anything. Probably cost a 1st though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Balto said: Would rather have DJ Moore from the Panthers and he would actually fit into our current cap without adjusting anything. Probably cost a 1st though #1 is probably what it'd take and probably more. IIRC he just signed a new deal as well making his cap hit impossible to manage AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur75 415 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 51 minutes ago, Balto said: Would rather have DJ Moore from the Panthers and he would actually fit into our current cap without adjusting anything. Probably cost a 1st though Agreed. We need WR's so bad. If it was up to me I would give up a 2nd for Moore right now. I just do not feel the WR core we have can take us where we want to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 hours ago, oldtimer said: #1 is probably what it'd take and probably more. IIRC he just signed a new deal as well making his cap hit impossible to manage Agree. We aren't even half way through the season. The chemistry isn't there yet with who we have. DE is by far a more pressing need for this team. If we could add Burns with that 1st this D could take a huge step forward and our O which is already putting up close to 30 pts per game won't have to be so potent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: Agree. We aren't even half way through the season. The chemistry isn't there yet with who we have. DE is by far a more pressing need for this team. If we could add Burns with that 1st this D could take a huge step forward and our O which is already putting up close to 30 pts per game won't have to be so potent. for your reading enjoyment but with acap hit of $4.3 Mil this and $16 Mil next...man o manhttps://overthecap.com/player/brian-burns/7807 https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/3-teams-that-must-trade-for-panthers-brian-burns-after-matt-rhule-s-firing/ar-AA12RbYX 3. Kansas City Chiefs The Kansas City Chiefs are on their way to another solid season. Through the first five weeks, they have a record of 4-1. They are also atop the AFC West. Much of the success that the Chiefs have found this season is rooted in their offense. They are currently averaging 31.8 points per game. The Chiefs defense has not found the same success. They are allowing 25 points per game. This unit could need a massive addition to make them elite. Burns could be the perfect candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WichitaZRide 321 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 11:24 AM, AFCWEST said: Still. Has nothing to do with the player. Has been injured and still some big plays Monday Night. Low salary and unlikely to get a big contract next year. That PFF BS . So for this season he is a good role player. SHUSTER has been almost a ghost. I'm kinda lost here... . catches: 22/12 in favor of Juju. yds: 257/144 in favor of juju. Juju has the most catches outside kelce and is one yard behind MVS in terms of most yds. That's not a ghost. And unlike Hardman, he hasn't had 3 years to gel with Mahomes. Lastly, Juju has been playing with a hamstring injury. You can't prop up Hardman for playing hurt, but call Juju out when he's also playing hurt. Here's the problem with Hardman.... dude has all the tools to be great....but my god, he has the absolute worst ball tracking skills i've ever seen. There's no point in having all that speed to take the top off if you screw yourself everytime the ball is thrown deep to you and you can't find it... qnet, AFCWEST and oldtimer 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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