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On 10/24/2022 at 11:07 PM, azchief21 said:

Bill is barely an average coach without Brady. Most overrated coach of any sport at any level.  

of course I think it could be said about many coach// Qb tandem but then again he did go 13-3 with Matt Cassel and also look at the revolving door of coaches he's had to deal with. Everybody wanted to try out a sample of the  "Patriot Way" and isn't he in his 80's now?  I don't like him, never have but I'll give the guy some due.

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1 minute ago, oldtimer said:

of course I think it could be said about many coach// Qb tandem but then again he did go 13-3 with Matt Cassel and also look at the revolving door of coaches he's had to deal with. Everybody wanted to try out a sample of the  "Patriot Way" and isn't he in his 80's now?  I don't like him, never have but I'll give the guy some due.

Look at his record  without Brady. Brady's record without Bill. Of course it includes a SB which I prefer not to discuss any further. 

Belichick regular-season games without Brady as starter:

1991: 6-10

1992: 7-9

1993: 7-9

1994: 11-5

1995: 5-11

2000: 5-11

2001: 0-2. (Brady started final 14 games after Drew Bledsoe injury)

2008: 10-5 (Brady torn ACL in season opener) 

2016: 3-1 (Deflategate suspension)

2020: 7-9

2021: 10-7 

2022: 3-4

Record: 74-83

 

Brady’s regular-season games without Belichick

2020: 11-5

2021: 13-4

2022: 3-4

Record: 27-13

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