Calichief 3,016 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Get Josh Allen on the plane. After that loss, they should fast track it. Let’s go Brett. btw- Lawrence is not that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Calichief said: Get Josh Allen on the plane. After that loss, they should fast track it. Let’s go Brett. btw- Lawrence is not that guy. how we gonna pay for him? Today on Pre Game said it would be a 1rst at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur75 415 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 I purpose trade Hardman and a second and 5th round pick with the second in next years and the 5th in 2024. Oh and throw in Ronald Jones. I think The Jags might just take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okiechief1 425 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 44 minutes ago, oldtimer said: how we gonna pay for him? Today on Pre Game said it would be a 1rst at least. They. can keep him then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 33 minutes ago, arthur75 said: I purpose trade Hardman and a second and 5th round pick with the second in next years and the 5th in 2024. Oh and throw in Ronald Jones. I think The Jags might just take that. Hell the 2nd this year and next would do it lol. Trade Jones for a 6th and keep Hardman. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 i would like to have allen on the team, but lets not act like he has been some game wrecker. he is a talented young player with some upside, he should not cost a first. artsy, Lamardirts and Okiechief1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted October 30, 2022 Author Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: how we gonna pay for him? Today on Pre Game said it would be a 1rst at least. As always, I trust veach. I have never cared about draft picks. EVER. I’ll take proven guys. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 hours ago, oldtimer said: how we gonna pay for him? Today on Pre Game said it would be a 1rst at least. He has has 2.5 , 7.5, and 3 sacks(2022) in his first 3 years. While he is a 7th overall pick those numbers hardly scream 1st round pick. We can afford him this year and his hit next year is like 10 million. We could afford him but I don't think we pony up a first. I could see a 2nd and 4th/5th but doubt they take that even though they should because he is likely gone after next year. mex and AFCWEST 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 He ain't worth a first. Chris Jones is WAY better than Allen and we got him in the second round. AFCWEST and Lamardirts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Calichief said: I have never cared about draft picks. EVER. I’ll take proven guys. Quote from George Allen, 1971? 🙂 For you youngsters, he was famous for trading away all or nearly all his draft picks for vets. Got him to a SB loss once IIRC. Burpo The Mad Clown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Calichief said: As always, I trust veach. I have never cared about draft picks. EVER. I’ll take proven guys. If it was as easy as trading picks for proven players, sure. Its not that easy. when you trade for proven guys you also have to allocate them cap space. the question you have to ask is this player worth a pick and cap space for their production, or can we use a 1st round pick on a similar player at the end of the first that will make 2 mil a year instead of 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Calichief said: As always, I trust veach. I have never cared about draft picks. EVER. I’ll take proven guys. I think Chiefs used draft picks to get Mahomes. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 34 minutes ago, AFCWEST said: I think Chiefs used draft picks to get Mahomes. xen, artsy and SEMO 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhitter 1,424 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 I don't want to burn a 1st round pick on Allen. He is a good young player with upside but come on. Far from top tier. Trading away first rounders hasn't exactly worked out well for us recently either ( Clark, OBJ). AFCWEST, bamaroyal and Lamardirts 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: If it was as easy as trading picks for proven players, sure. Its not that easy. when you trade for proven guys you also have to allocate them cap space. the question you have to ask is this player worth a pick and cap space for their production, or can we use a 1st round pick on a similar player at the end of the first that will make 2 mil a year instead of 10 My preference is using draft picks to move up for a player in the draft, not to get a higher cost vet. Sure, there are exceptions but the upside has to be clear and certain, at least as certain as it can be in sports I don't see Allen as a game changer that will increase the SB odds all that much.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, jetlord said: My preference is using draft picks to move up for a player in the draft, not to get a higher cost vet. Sure, there are exceptions but the upside has to be clear and certain, at least as certain as it can be in sports I don't see Allen as a game changer that will increase the SB odds all that much.. Yeah that's kind of how i see Allen. Honestly think you might get as much from someone like Jerry Hughes from Houston for less. dhitter and Lamardirts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 6 hours ago, arthur75 said: I purpose trade Hardman and a second and 5th round pick with the second in next years and the 5th in 2024. Oh and throw in Ronald Jones. I think The Jags might just take that. That is way to much. Ridiculously too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 5 hours ago, Calichief said: As always, I trust veach. I have never cared about draft picks. EVER. I’ll take proven guys. Not so sure he is the proven guy you want to burn a bunch of draft capital on. He has upside but its year three and he has yet to set the league on fire. He would be a big upgrade for us but that isn't saying much. And while we won't find a more talented DE where we draft we can still find great value at other positions. It definitely a balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 2 hours ago, oldtimer said: We also used draft picks to draft Frank Clark. artsy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Lamardirts said: We also used draft picks to draft Frank Clark. We drafted Frank Clark? mex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 hours ago, AFCWEST said: I think Chiefs used draft picks to get Mahomes. Do we need a mahomes. Tell me, how many failures have we had. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Lamardirts said: Not so sure he is the proven guy you want to burn a bunch of draft capital on. He has upside but its year three and he has yet to set the league on fire. He would be a big upgrade for us but that isn't saying much. And while we won't find a more talented DE where we draft we can still find great value at other positions. It definitely a balance. Wow. Lots of words out in my mouth. I did not say give up a first. I said I trust veach. now; you better get someone cause this bills offense is scary good. And then they make you work hard on offense. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Watching the Bills, if we get a rematch, we better run the ball and I wish we got a DE ILO a WR through trade. GB is running on them and we need to get pressure with 4 and a spy on Allen. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Out of all the options at realistic DE's out there who makes the biggest impact, regardless of cost? I think Cam Jordan, Brian Burns, or Bradley Chubb (no way they trade him to us) makes the most impact, and are probably the only two that get us the 4 man front that can generate consistent pressure. They are also the most expensive. The rest probably help situationally but don't get us what we need. A few of you have mentioned Jerry Hughes and I think he is probably the best option. Would be and should be very cheap. Playing on a horrible team that should be desperate for more picks. He gives us a DE we don't have a speed rusher. Outside of Hughes, I wonder if a better or efficient answer would be adding another interior rusher like DaRon Payne or maybe trying to pry JJ Watt from Arizona. AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 10 hours ago, Calichief said: Do we need a mahomes. Tell me, how many failures have we had. HUH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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