Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 We'll have the answer on Kinnard after OTA's and training camp. For the draft, we need to remember that for O-linemen at least, they don't reach their full potential until around their 5th year on average, and some of the guys we already have may turn out to be very, very good. Not many O-linemen can become starters right out of college. I would be happy to pick up a high ceiling DE by moving up, but I am afraid that a quick fix of any O-tackle spot can only be made by giving up several draft choices to move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Darian Kinnard’s future with Chiefs could be at guard position https://currently.att.yahoo.com/sports/darian-kinnard-future-chiefs-could-134500921.html AFCWEST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okiechief1 425 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 13 hours ago, oldtimer said: Darian Kinnard’s future with Chiefs could be at guard position https://currently.att.yahoo.com/sports/darian-kinnard-future-chiefs-could-134500921.html Interesting since both starting guards aren't going anywhere for a couple years. But if Kinnard is a viable option at LG then I've warmed up to the idea of kicking Thuney out to LT then you could put Kinnard at LG and roll with that for that side. It would at least give some time where KC isnt trying to fix 2 premier positions in one off season oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Okiechief1 said: Interesting since both starting guards aren't going anywhere for a couple years. But if Kinnard is a viable option at LG then I've warmed up to the idea of kicking Thuney out to LT then you could put Kinnard at LG and roll with that for that side. It would at least give some time where KC isnt trying to fix 2 premier positions in one off season With Thuney's pay scale for the next 2 years I can see little other option to move him to LT as he's uncuttable now IF the Chiefs could get a high upside LT in the say the first round it might be acceptable to leave Thuney at LG..a serviceable RT should be easy enough to find you'd hope. I have a sneaky suspicion the Andys ( Reid & Heck) still are betting on Niagn(sp?) for next year and IMO that's a fool's bet. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/joe-thuney-19028/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 6 hours ago, oldtimer said: With Thuney's pay scale for the next 2 years I can see little other option to move him to LT as he's uncuttable now IF the Chiefs could get a high upside LT in the say the first round it might be acceptable to leave Thuney at LG..a serviceable RT should be easy enough to find you'd hope. I have a sneaky suspicion the Andys ( Reid & Heck) still are betting on Niagn(sp?) for next year and IMO that's a fool's bet. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/joe-thuney-19028/ I heard an interview earlier this week with Nate Taylor, the Chiefs main beat guy. He pretty much shot down the idea that they move Thuney to LT. They paid him elite LG money to be an elite LG. And he's pretty much done that. Not saying Taylor knows all, but what he said made sense. oldtimer and SEMO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Chiefs biggest flaw is on the OL, and it's not Orlando Brown Story by Josh Wilson • 3h ago 251 Comment Chiefs biggest flaw is on the OL, and it's not Orlando Brown© Provided by Fansided Orlando Brown is an easy one to point fingers at, but the Kansas City Chiefs have even bigger concerns. Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs have been forced to scramble 38 times this season — sixth-most in the NFL. Looking at times hurried, the Chiefs are second-worst in the league at 48. Thank goodness they have a wizard for a quarterback, because if not, the offensive line would be catching a whole lot more blame. But in fact, perhaps it's worth applying some criticism even though the Chiefs have found a way to persevere beyond some of these pressing issues. Orlando Brown has been the subject of most of the criticism, a known violator of the Chiefs' biggest flaw: Their offensive line. But the issue cuts far deeper than that. More vid Chiefs have offensive line issues with far more than just Orlando Brown Yes, Orlando Brown has been a huge sore spot for the Chiefs, but take a look, he's far from the sole proprietor of those giving up opportunities to opposing pass rushers: Here's how the starting offensive lineman grade per Pro Football Focus, along with sacks allowed: Orlando Brown: 73.3; 4 Joe Thuney: 75.9; 1 Creed Humphrey: 87.6; 0 Trey Smith: 74.3; 2 Andrew Wylie: 62.6; 7 Brown and Wylie have combined for 11 sacks. Either of them alone accounts for more sacks than the rest of the starting offensive line combined. Wylie, though, has given up seven, three more than Brown. That differential is more than Thuney, Humphrey, and Smith combined. He is, by far, the sore spot, and his 62.6 grade per PFF proves it. While Chiefs fans have reason to hate the PFF grading system, it's actually a lot better at grading offensive linemen than it is quarterbacks. Give some credit to Thuney, Humphrey, and Smith… They're doing what they can to keep Mahomes from getting collapsed on with any sort of pressure. On the outside, though, there is a major deficiency. It's a good thing the Chiefs have one of the best passing wizards in the NFL. They're averaging 7.9 yards per scramble (that's a total of over 300 yards this season on scrambles; 21.44 per game), much of that credit to Mahomes being able to make something out of nothing when Brown and Wylie go into turnstile mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefs biggest flaw is on the OL, and it's not Orlando Brown© Provided by Fansided Orlando Brown is an easy one to point fingers at, but the Kansas City Chiefs have even bigger concerns. Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs have been forced to scramble 38 times this season — sixth-most in the NFL. Looking at times hurried, the Chiefs are second-worst in the league at 48. Thank goodness they have a wizard for a quarterback, because if not, the offensive line would be catching a whole lot more blame. But in fact, perhaps it's worth applying some criticism even though the Chiefs have found a way to persevere beyond some of these pressing issues. Orlando Brown has been the subject of most of the criticism, a known violator of the Chiefs' biggest flaw: Their offensive line. But the issue cuts far deeper than that. More vid Chiefs have offensive line issues with far more than just Orlando Brown Yes, Orlando Brown has been a huge sore spot for the Chiefs, but take a look, he's far from the sole proprietor of those giving up opportunities to opposing pass rushers: Here's how the starting offensive lineman grade per Pro Football Focus, along with sacks allowed: Orlando Brown: 73.3; 4 Joe Thuney: 75.9; 1 Creed Humphrey: 87.6; 0 Trey Smith: 74.3; 2 Andrew Wylie: 62.6; 7 Brown and Wylie have combined for 11 sacks. Either of them alone accounts for more sacks than the rest of the starting offensive line combined. Wylie, though, has given up seven, three more than Brown. That differential is more than Thuney, Humphrey, and Smith combined. He is, by far, the sore spot, and his 62.6 grade per PFF proves it. While Chiefs fans have reason to hate the PFF grading system, it's actually a lot better at grading offensive linemen than it is quarterbacks. Give some credit to Thuney, Humphrey, and Smith… They're doing what they can to keep Mahomes from getting collapsed on with any sort of pressure. On the outside, though, there is a major deficiency. It's a good thing the Chiefs have one of the best passing wizards in the NFL. They're averaging 7.9 yards per scramble (that's a total of over 300 yards this season on scrambles; 21.44 per game), much of that credit to Mahomes being able to make something out of nothing when Brown and Wylie go into turnstile mode.
oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 hardly earth shattering news and certainly not an argument to resign either. Basically just confirming the obvious....we need new Tackles Troyofoc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 What continues to blow my mind is the lack of trying out anyone else on the roster at RT for a game given how bad Wiley has been. Its not like its gonna be any worse azchief21, Fmbl2187 and Palangi 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: hardly earth shattering news and certainly not an argument to resign either. Basically just confirming the obvious....we need new Tackles Wylie is so damn bad. Niang must really be in the doghouse. Rewatch Pacheco’s fumble last week. Wylie was holding the guy and he still went right around him into Pacheco’s lane. Pacheco gets some blame, but Wylie was beaten bad. Then he just fukking stands there after the fumble. Frustrating as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, SEMO said: Wylie is so damn bad. Niang must really be in the doghouse. Rewatch Pacheco’s fumble last week. Wylie was holding the guy and he still went right around him into Pacheco’s lane. Pacheco gets some blame, but Wylie was beaten bad. Then he just fukking stands there after the fumble. Frustrating as hell. yep I told POOT that it looked like Wyle Craped a big turd SEMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 What amazing effort by #77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 5 hours ago, oldtimer said: yep I told POOT that it looked like Wyle Craped a big turd He has been awful. Painful to watch. He is a decent backup guard. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Orlando Brown just made another pro bowl. I'm sure that will come up in negotiations. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azchief21 5,278 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/20/2022 at 3:19 PM, SEMO said: Wylie is so damn bad. Niang must really be in the doghouse. This^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldtimer 8,686 Posted December 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2022 11 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Orlando Brown just made another pro bowl. I'm sure that will come up in negotiations. hence why the Pro Bowl is Bull Shit and has been for decades Okiechief1, mex, Iluvhouse24 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 On 12/21/2022 at 8:05 PM, Iluvhouse24 said: Orlando Brown just made another pro bowl. I'm sure that will come up in negotiations. If we are lucky some stupid team will now give the chiefs a 2nd instead of a 3rd to trade for brown after the chiefs franchise tag him because he is a “pro bowl player.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Well Jenkins and Conklin are out for FA this year as both signed extensions. Imagine that, a player signing before the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Source: ESPN Dec 20thhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.c ... atform=ampTeam pass block win rate1. Kansas City Chiefs, 74%2. Chicago Bears, 69%3. Green Bay Packers, 67%4. Cleveland Browns, 66%5. Baltimore Ravens, 65%6. Buffalo Bills, 65%7. Philadelphia Eagles, 64%8. Pittsburgh Steelers, 64%9. Seattle Seahawks, 64%10. Las Vegas Raiders, 63%Team run block win rate1. Baltimore Ravens, 76%2. Philadelphia Eagles, 75%3. Kansas City Chiefs, 74%4. Dallas Cowboys, 74%5. Chicago Bears, 74%6. Denver Broncos, 73%7. Las Vegas Raiders, 73% West 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 2 hours ago, AFCWEST said: Source: ESPN Dec 20thhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.c ... atform=ampTeam pass block win rate1. Kansas City Chiefs, 74%2. Chicago Bears, 69%3. Green Bay Packers, 67%4. Cleveland Browns, 66%5. Baltimore Ravens, 65%6. Buffalo Bills, 65%7. Philadelphia Eagles, 64%8. Pittsburgh Steelers, 64%9. Seattle Seahawks, 64%10. Las Vegas Raiders, 63%Team run block win rate1. Baltimore Ravens, 76%2. Philadelphia Eagles, 75%3. Kansas City Chiefs, 74%4. Dallas Cowboys, 74%5. Chicago Bears, 74%6. Denver Broncos, 73%7. Las Vegas Raiders, 73% Now see the rates without mahomes having to scramble every time lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCWEST 1,238 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, kkuenn said: Now see the rates without mahomes having to scramble every time lol I think his protection is good. He likes to extend plays. He likes throwing on the run and he is great at that. Can it be better? Sure. All in all he has more time than most to make plays. If KC would run it more often he would have even more time. Mahomes is not that stay in the pocket QB. Maybe later in his career but not now. artsy, jetlord and Fmbl2187 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 FA list, PFF 10. OT ORLANDO BROWN JR., KANSAS CITY CHIEFS After threatening to hold out for the 2022 season following a franchise-tag saga that didn’t culminate in a long-term deal, Brown turned a slow start into a strong second half protecting quarterback Patrick Mahomes. From Week 10 to the end of the regular season, Brown’s 88.7 pass-blocking grade ranked third best among left tackles. He may not become one of the game’s true top tackles given his much-maligned athletic limitations, but he’s a very reliable blindside protector who has succeeded in two diametrically opposed offensive schemes 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMO 6,811 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, xen said: FA list, PFF 10. OT ORLANDO BROWN JR., KANSAS CITY CHIEFS After threatening to hold out for the 2022 season following a franchise-tag saga that didn’t culminate in a long-term deal, Brown turned a slow start into a strong second half protecting quarterback Patrick Mahomes. From Week 10 to the end of the regular season, Brown’s 88.7 pass-blocking grade ranked third best among left tackles. He may not become one of the game’s true top tackles given his much-maligned athletic limitations, but he’s a very reliable blindside protector who has succeeded in two diametrically opposed offensive schemes 🤷♂️ Great. If he wants to sign a contract that reflects not becoming one of the game’s true top tackles, then sign him up. oldtimer, artsy, mex and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 12/22/2022 at 8:37 PM, CranjisMcbasketball said: If we are lucky some stupid team will now give the chiefs a 2nd instead of a 3rd to trade for brown after the chiefs franchise tag him because he is a “pro bowl player.” I have mixed feelings. I would like to see a better LT, but we'd better have someone in place who covers that huge responsibility while OBJ is gone to another team. I think it would be better to tag him again while continuing the search. There are so few good LT's around. Very hard to find and replace even a mediocre one. artsy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 32 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said: I have mixed feelings. I would like to see a better LT, but we'd better have someone in place who covers that huge responsibility while OBJ is gone to another team. I think it would be better to tag him again while continuing the search. There are so few good LT's around. Very hard to find and replace even a mediocre one. All depends on what his demands are. Contract year was eerily similar to his first year. Slow start and then he comes on strong at the end. If he wants to be the highest paid LT then you have to tag and trade him. As much as I wouldn't want to pay him 20 million a year that will be a bargain in 2 years and there is continuity with him coming back. That isn't highest paid money but its life changing money for sure. I think Wylie could be upgraded much easier and much cheaper and that would raise the level of the entire Oline more than mortgaging the farm to upgrade OBJ. West 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 48 minutes ago, Fmbl2187 said: I have mixed feelings. I would like to see a better LT, but we'd better have someone in place who covers that huge responsibility while OBJ is gone to another team. I think it would be better to tag him again while continuing the search. There are so few good LT's around. Very hard to find and replace even a mediocre one. We could live with OBJ at LT if the Chiefs could find an average or above RT. With the TEs only having to chip on one end, the protection problems are much less. Brown isn't a liability. He's just pricing himself above his worth. Tag him again and be prepared to see him sit out if he won't sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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