NFL Seeding Issue. May go by Winning Percentage

[mex 65,581]

1 hour ago, oldtimer said:

 the Chiefs lose in Vegas this weekend while Buffalo wins vs New England. That would allow the league to award the top seed to Buffalo and skip any resumption of the lost game.

 

If the Chiefs win, that throws a wrench in the whole thing

I heard the league is seriously considering postponing the playoffs by a week, to allow Buff/Cin the ability to play their game week 19.

This would also eliminate the bye week between the Conference Championships and the SB... which keeps the SB schedule on track.

This means everyone has week 19 off, except Buff/Cinn... and still gives the 1 seed the 1st week off during playoffs. If Buff loses and the Chiefs beat LV, they Chiefs would get the 1 seed and TWO weeks off in a row before the playoffs.

Not sure how I feel about that.

[artsy 1,137]

22 minutes ago, mex said:

I heard the league is seriously considering postponing the playoffs by a week, to allow Buff/Cin the ability to play their game week 19.

This would also eliminate the bye week between the Conference Championships and the SB... which keeps the SB schedule on track.

This means everyone has week 19 off, except Buff/Cinn... and still gives the 1 seed the 1st week off during playoffs. If Buff loses and the Chiefs beat LV, they Chiefs would get the 1 seed and TWO weeks off in a row before the playoffs.

Not sure how I feel about that.

yea, this was my first though on how they would handle the postponed game. Push the playoffs back a week...Which means that if things went right the chiefs could 2 wks off before the playoffs started. And no, I don't quite like that either...

[AFCWEST 1,238]

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  The Bengals' Week 18 game against the Ravens is scheduled for 1:00 PM ET on Sunday.

  This was always the expectation, though, with the Bengals' Week 17 game versus Buffalo being postponed, there was some question as to how the league would handle this situation. Both the Ravens and Bengals are still alive in the AFC North title race, so this game will have considerable playoff implications. Also, if the Bengals win, the Chargers, who don't kick off until the afternoon window, will be locked into the No. 5 seed.

[moons314 2,463]

1 hour ago, mex said:

I heard the league is seriously considering postponing the playoffs by a week, to allow Buff/Cin the ability to play their game week 19.

This would also eliminate the bye week between the Conference Championships and the SB... which keeps the SB schedule on track.

This means everyone has week 19 off, except Buff/Cinn... and still gives the 1 seed the 1st week off during playoffs. If Buff loses and the Chiefs beat LV, they Chiefs would get the 1 seed and TWO weeks off in a row before the playoffs.

Not sure how I feel about that.

It’s an awful idea.  The two weeks between the ccg and the Super Bowl allow for all kinds of activities for players and staff outside of normal practice time.  At this point they’re better off just calling it a no contest and going by winning percentage.  
 

If they did this, the chiefs could potentially end up with two weeks between games as the top seed.  The extra week between ccg and Super Bowl is also for players to get healthy to put the best product on the field.  
 

this solution is so dumb that I could see the league doing it. 

[oldtimer 8,686]

1 hour ago, moons314 said:

It’s an awful idea.  The two weeks between the ccg and the Super Bowl allow for all kinds of activities for players and staff outside of normal practice time.  At this point they’re better off just calling it a no contest and going by winning percentage.  
 

If they did this, the chiefs could potentially end up with two weeks between games as the top seed.  The extra week between ccg and Super Bowl is also for players to get healthy to put the best product on the field.  
 

this solution is so dumb that I could see the league doing it. 

I think it's the best idea there is... basically because you hate it 

[dhitter 1,424]

Frankly, right now I'm more concerned about beating Vegas. Barely got past them at Arrowhead. It took two Raider receivers running into each other to end it. Stidham looked pretty good against a tough Niners defense. Our defense let both Jacobs and Adams go off last time. We could easily screw the pooch. Regarding the Bills-Cincy thing? I think they will just void it and move on. Too many variables to tinker with otherwise. Is it fair? No. But it's been said, "Life ain't fair."

[Chiefmanzada 466]

8 hours ago, mex said:

I heard the league is seriously considering postponing the playoffs by a week, to allow Buff/Cin the ability to play their game week 19.

This would also eliminate the bye week between the Conference Championships and the SB... which keeps the SB schedule on track.

This means everyone has week 19 off, except Buff/Cinn... and still gives the 1 seed the 1st week off during playoffs. If Buff loses and the Chiefs beat LV, they Chiefs would get the 1 seed and TWO weeks off in a row before the playoffs.

Not sure how I feel about that.

Hope it happens. 2 weeks off for the Chiefs won't be so bad if they practice every day. Stay healthy for the games. 

 

This Buff/Cin game is a BEAST of a game. $$$$. They gonna play I bet

[mex 65,581]

9 hours ago, Chiefmanzada said:

Hope it happens. 2 weeks off for the Chiefs won't be so bad if they practice every day. Stay healthy for the games. 

 

This Buff/Cin game is a BEAST of a game. $$$$. They gonna play I bet

I would worry about getting stale and losing their edge. 
 

it is what it is. Whatever happens, let’s hope andy has them ready

[xen 1,010,220]

17 hours ago, moons314 said:

It’s an awful idea.  The two weeks between the ccg and the Super Bowl allow for all kinds of activities for players and staff outside of normal practice time.  At this point they’re better off just calling it a no contest and going by winning percentage.  
 

If they did this, the chiefs could potentially end up with two weeks between games as the top seed.  The extra week between ccg and Super Bowl is also for players to get healthy to put the best product on the field.  
 

this solution is so dumb that I could see the league doing it. 

[kkuenn 3,597]

1 hour ago, mex said:

I would worry about getting stale and losing their edge. 
 

it is what it is. Whatever happens, let’s hope andy has them ready

Well we have seen how he is with a week preparation and his record on the 1st game of the season.... I think the extra week of healing up and film study will be good if it happens.

[SEMO 6,811]

Don't know if this has been posted, but it is BS if this is the way they go:

 

NFL reporter says league may not count a Chiefs game when determining playoff seeding

Story by Pete Grathoff, The Kansas City Star •

 

There was a bit of good news Wednesday morning regarding Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin.

ESPN’s Coley Harvey spoke with Hamlin’s family and their friend Jordon Rooney about Hamlin, who suffered a cardiac arrest during Monday night’s game in Cincinnati.

“Per Jordon and Damar’s family, doctors overnight got promising readings that they had been hoping to see by this morning,” Harvey tweeted. “Jordon couldn’t go into specifics, but progress appears to be made.”

 

That’s the kind of news everyone around the NFL wants to hear, and hopefully Hamlin will make a full recovery.

As Hamlin recovers, the NFL is moving forward, having announced Tuesday that all Week 18 games will be played as scheduled, but the Bengals-Bills game wouldn’t be resumed this week.

Should that game ultimately not be played, it would have an impact on playoff seeding, and The Star’s Jesse Newell took a look at what that might mean for the Chiefs.

Benjamin Allbright, an NFL reporter for KOA Radio in Colorado, said Tuesday the league is considering options for playoff seeding with the Chiefs, Bills and Bengals all in the running for the No. 1 seed.

“The game from last night right now is considered suspended. And it may end up being a no-contest,” Allbright said on KOA. “That’s the idea that’s being pitched around right now as a no-contest between the two. And if a seeding issue comes into play after the Week 18 stuff is done, then they will use either a random number generator to not count a game and make it even on all sides.

“At least that’s the current phrase that’s being thrown around, the current idea that’s being thrown around. Nothing has been determined officially yet but that’s the leader in the clubhouse right now, per a league office source.”

The other option is to not count the Chiefs-Broncos game from Sunday when determining the seeding.

“The two leaders in the house are you just don’t count that week’s Chiefs game, which would be the Denver Broncos game (Sunday), or they do a random number generator,” Allbright said. “It’s a 1 through 18 and they just don’t count one of those games, whatever game that number generates they don’t count that week’s game to make it random. Those are some of the things that are being floated right now as they try to figure out, try to settle all this.”

The hosts of KOA joked the Broncos could benefit by not having the result count in Denver’s 15-game losing streak to the Chiefs. But that wouldn’t be the case. The result would stand, along with all the statistics. But when the NFL decided playoff seeding, it would not count one Chiefs game.

A random number generator also could throw out, say, the Chiefs’ loss to the Colts. But using that method to determine NFL playoff seeding would be unprecedented.

 

Other options

NBC Sports’ Mike Florio looked at possible options for the NFL going forward and one included pushing the start of the AFC playoffs back one week.

“Week 18 would proceed as scheduled. The following weekend, the NFC wild-card games would be played, along with Bills-Bengals,” Florio wrote. “The next weekend, the AFC wild-card games would be played.

“Then, the rest of the playoffs would unfold, but without the bye week between conference championships and the Super Bowl.

“This would ensure that all teams play 17 games. It would give all AFC playoff teams (except the Bills and Bengals) a week off. It would give the NFC wild-card winners a week off. And the NFC No. 1 seed would go three weeks between games.”

Ben Rolfe of Pro Football Network suggested another option: a standalone game between the Bills and Bengals.

“The only feasible way for the NFL to have this game played would be to have a Week 19 where just the Bills and Bengals play, pushing the Wild Card Weekend back a week, and with it, pushing back the NFL playoffs up to Conference Championship week,” he wrote. “That would mean the Bills could still play for the one seed, while if the Bengals lose to the Ravens this week, they would still be trying to clinch the AFC North. If the Chiefs lose in Week 18, the Bengals-Bills game could be for a first-round bye.”

The NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport discussed that option Wednesday morning.

One other idea being shared by many people is skipping the Bills-Bengals game and having the AFC Championship Game at a neutral site to avoid any controversy.

The last week of the NFL season always has a number of crazy playoff scenarios, but this is a whole new level.

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[kkuenn 3,597]

Fuck that. We played an additional game and it needs to be counted. If they do this, it is all showing how the league wants Buffalo to be the Cinderella for the season. Total bs.

[oldtimer 8,686]

18 minutes ago, kkuenn said:

Fuck that. We played an additional game and it needs to be counted. If they do this, it is all showing how the league wants Buffalo to be the Cinderella for the season. Total bs.

dont look now but the fix is in.. Raiders win and Bills win the SB. It's a done deal. It's the WWF all over again 

 

[mex 65,581]

The latest... not sure if it's true:

NFL world reacts to unpopular Bengals-Bills plan news

Story by Kevin Harrish • 1h ago

 

While the only real concern for the NFL right now is the health of Buffalo Bills defensive back Damar Hamlin after the horrifying incident that saw him needing CPR on the field during Monday night’s game against the Cincinnati Bengals, the reality is that the league now has to figure out what to do with this high-profile game initially postponing the crucial AFC matchup and eventually deciding that will not continue this week. And it looks like the NFL is leaning toward quite an unpopular option.

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According to a report from Pro Football Talk, the league is moving towards declaring Monday night’s game a “no-contest” and awarding the playoff seeding based on win percentages after Week 18.

“Momentum is currently pointing toward Bills-Bengals not being resumed, with AFC playoff seeding based on winning percentage following the outcome of the Week 18 games,” Pro Football Talk reported on Wednesday night.

Obviously, this would put the Kansas City Chiefs in full control, as the Chiefs would lock up the first-round bye and the No. 1 seed in the playoffs with a win over the Las Vegas Raiders. It also would eliminate the Bengals from the possibility of earning the No. 1 seed altogether.

The NFL world did not seem too fond of this plan, though many understood this was an unprecedented situation.

 

 

“Unfair for many teams, but I get it. I’d rather win on the field, but this is the situation,” Bengals media member Joe Goodberry said on Twitter.

 

 

“Seeing a lot of Bills fans who were saying, ‘who cares about the 1 seed. Cancel the game’ on Monday, now complaining that this isn’t fair. It isn’t, but let’s not all lose the perspective we had Monday night. Focus on the positive that Damar is progressing. It’s still about him,” one Bills fan said on Twitter.

 

 

“Barring a Raiders upset over the Chiefs and wild-card round craziness, the Bills and Bengals will see each other in the divisional round,” Robert Harding said in a Tweet.

This is essentially what former NFL star quarterback Carson Palmer suggested would happen on Wednesday. Meanwhile, Cincinnati quarterback Joe Burrow said that the Bengals want to do whatever Buffalo wants to do.

[mex 65,581]

35 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

dont look now but the fix is in.. Raiders win and Bills win the SB. It's a done deal. It's the WWF all over again 

 

Know what would suck about that? We played one of the best defenses in the league, risking injury (ask Thuney and Bolton) putting more wear and tear on our players, and it is all for nothing.

To not count that game is fucking BULLSHIT.

[Okiechief1 425]

Schefter was saying one of the things being talked about besides the no contest for bills begals is the#1 seed being given a choice of HFA or a bye but not getting both.  

Its getting to the point it just seems like ithe NFL is afraid to make an unpopular decision because of the pr hit they would take.  Rule it a no contest decide the 1 on winning pct and move on.  

[oldtimer 8,686]

2 minutes ago, Okiechief1 said:

Schefter was saying one of the things being talked about besides the no contest for bills begals is the#1 seed being given a choice of HFA or a bye but not getting both.  

Its getting to the point it just seems like ithe NFL is afraid to make an unpopular decision because of the pr hit they would take.  Rule it a no contest decide the 1 on winning pct and move on.  

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[AFCWEST 1,238]

Real Question? If a cheerleader, coach, photographer, ref or any other person had a heart attack on the field during the game would the game have been  cancelled? How about a fan in the first row that falls onto the field of play? How about a family member of a player or coach in the stands?

Are any of these humans any less important? 

 

[reesebobby 5,661]

I've been hearing some interesting solutions.  I don't think based in reality, but interesting none the less.

1.  Add an 8th team and eliminate the bye for number 1.

2.  Eliminate the 7 seed and have 2 byes.

3.  Play the AFCGG at a neutral site.

[reesebobby 5,661]

Just now, AFCWEST said:

Real Question? If a cheerleader, coach, photographer, ref or any other person had a heart attack on the field during the game would the game have been  cancelled? How about a fan in the first row that falls onto the field of play? How about a family member of a player or coach in the stands?

Are any of these humans any less important? 

 

Not less important but not a close friend of the guys being asked to play.  If you're driving down the road and see a fatal accident, you're gonna continue driving.  If someone in your car dies, you'll probably take the rest of the day off.  

[Okiechief1 425]

13 minutes ago, reesebobby said:

Not less important but not a close friend of the guys being asked to play.  If you're driving down the road and see a fatal accident, you're gonna continue driving.  If someone in your car dies, you'll probably take the rest of the day off.  

Rest of the day sure which both teams did and and it was understandable and was something i supported them doing. 

I can remember when Favres dad passed.  Favre went out there the next night and played and played one of best games of his career. I doubt that was something he wanted to do was go play football.  I would bet the emotions Favre felt from losing his dad were stronger than what these guys are dealing with.  Josh Allen said yesterday there were guys in that locker room that had mixed emotions about playing this Sunday.   These guys made a choice in not playing the game and that choice has consequences that for whatever reason the NFL doesnt want to actually do.  

 

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2 minutes ago, Okiechief1 said:

Rest of the day sure which both teams did and and it was understandable and was something i supported them doing. 

I can remember when Favres dad passed.  Favre went out there the next night and played and played one of best games of his career. I doubt that was something he wanted to do was go play football.  I would bet the emotions Favre felt from losing his dad were stronger than what these guys are dealing with.  Josh Allen said yesterday there were guys in that locker room that had mixed emotions about playing this Sunday.   These guys made a choice in not playing the game and that choice has consequences that for whatever reason the NFL doesnt want to actually do.  

 

Good info. The next Question is why did they have a choice? What % did not want to play? We will never know. 

 

[AFCWEST 1,238]

37 minutes ago, reesebobby said:

Not less important but not a close friend of the guys being asked to play.  If you're driving down the road and see a fatal accident, you're gonna continue driving.  If someone in your car dies, you'll probably take the rest of the day off.  

Good point. Agree yet they know the coach, cheerleader, ref, etc. Note: Its was not a fatal event it was an event that could become fatal but was yet to be determined. Similar situations include a serious neck injury , spinal injury or some of the recent extremely concussed players. 

[mex 65,581]

41 minutes ago, reesebobby said:

I've been hearing some interesting solutions.  I don't think based in reality, but interesting none the less.

1.  Add an 8th team and eliminate the bye for number 1.

2.  Eliminate the 7 seed and have 2 byes.

3.  Play the AFCGG at a neutral site.

 

[reesebobby 5,661]

5 minutes ago, Okiechief1 said:

Rest of the day sure which both teams did and and it was understandable and was something i supported them doing. 

I can remember when Favres dad passed.  Favre went out there the next night and played and played one of best games of his career. I doubt that was something he wanted to do was go play football.  I would bet the emotions Favre felt from losing his dad were stronger than what these guys are dealing with.  Josh Allen said yesterday there were guys in that locker room that had mixed emotions about playing this Sunday.   These guys made a choice in not playing the game and that choice has consequences that for whatever reason the NFL doesnt want to actually do.  

 

I'm guessing most of them would have been fine with playing the next day.  By then, they knew Damar was alive and stable.  But I'm guessing there is more to playing the next day than player willingness.  You have to consider television contracts.  Fans.  Officials.  The stadium personnel.  Security.  Police.  Fairness to the teams in playoff contention playing on a Tuesday.  Not saying these things couldn't be overcome, but putting on and NFL game is probably more involved than we realize.