jetlord 10,209 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, arrowhead said: I'd rather trade for DHop. 🤪 Let's just wait and see if he's released. Why trade and pay if the Chiefs can get by with just pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowhead 1,070 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 27 minutes ago, jetlord said: Let's just wait and see if he's released. Why trade and pay if the Chiefs can get by with just pay? I agree. Next week is gonna be busy for lotus of teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 9 hours ago, xen said: No thanks. Rather pay Zach Allen. Seems like a total Spags end and not a diva. I've been thinking about this one for several weeks. Allen is damn near a perfect fit here. He plays end in base and gives us a good run defender. He reduces inside on obvious pass rushing downs and gives us a compliment to Jones which we've needed. Allows us to target a straight pass rusher in the draft and let that player develop as a run defender. Trying to find a guy who is every down ready at DE is a tall order in the draft. But finding a guy we can just let loose on passing downs may be something we can accomplish even at the end of rd 2. Foskey maybe? I'm super high on the kid from Tennessee. Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: I've been thinking about this one for several weeks. Allen is damn near a perfect fit here. He plays end in base and gives us a good run defender. He reduces inside on obvious pass rushing downs and gives us a compliment to Jones which we've needed. Allows us to target a straight pass rusher in the draft and let that player develop as a run defender. Trying to find a guy who is every down ready at DE is a tall order in the draft. But finding a guy we can just let loose on passing downs may be something we can accomplish even at the end of rd 2. Foskey maybe? I'm super high on the kid from Tennessee. Young. I want Allen. What would he cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, jetlord said: I want Allen. What would he cost? not sure about this..seems awfully cheap https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2023/2/2/23583379/pff-projects-arizona-cardinals-free-agent-contracts-2023-nfl-free-agents-zach-allen-byron-murphy-jr DI ZACH ALLEN, ARIZONA CARDINALS Contract Projection: Three years, $37.5 million ($12.5M per year); $26 million total guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Speaking of contract negotiations... this could bode well. Boone and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowhead 1,070 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Odell wants $20 mil/year. Lunacy. Boone and mex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 27 minutes ago, arrowhead said: Odell wants $20 mil/year. Lunacy. lol yeah saw that. Looked healthy in that workout. Watch the Rams pay it. Honestly if he's back to where he was, that's not a bad price considering the current going rate for top receivers. Question is the medicals on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowhead 1,070 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Reset the LT market? He's good, but no thanks. ESPN's Dan Graziano reports Texans LT Laremy Tunsil "could be a target" of the Chiefs if they don't bring back Orlando Brown Jr. Tunsil, who has said that he wants to "reset" the offensive tackle market, is on the final year of his contract and would only count $18.5 million against the cap if traded for without an extension. The way that Graziano phrases this is as "a potential trade target I'm watching," which if you read between the lines says there's probably not active talks about Tunsil. But it does make some sense for the Texans to consider moving on from Tunsil if they were able to recoup premium picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, arrowhead said: Odell wants $20 mil/year. Lunacy. 12 is fair. 14 maybe. 20? Definitely lunacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, xen said: lol yeah saw that. Looked healthy in that workout. Watch the Rams pay it. Honestly if he's back to where he was, that's not a bad price considering the current going rate for top receivers. Question is the medicals on him. Rams might. Hey they sold the future to get that SB and it worked. I don’t think they will be relevant this year or next. Why waste the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 8 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: I've been thinking about this one for several weeks. Allen is damn near a perfect fit here. He plays end in base and gives us a good run defender. He reduces inside on obvious pass rushing downs and gives us a compliment to Jones which we've needed. Allows us to target a straight pass rusher in the draft and let that player develop as a run defender. Trying to find a guy who is every down ready at DE is a tall order in the draft. But finding a guy we can just let loose on passing downs may be something we can accomplish even at the end of rd 2. Foskey maybe? I'm super high on the kid from Tennessee. Young. Sounds like Mike Danna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 3 hours ago, oldtimer said: not sure about this..seems awfully cheap https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2023/2/2/23583379/pff-projects-arizona-cardinals-free-agent-contracts-2023-nfl-free-agents-zach-allen-byron-murphy-jr DI ZACH ALLEN, ARIZONA CARDINALS Contract Projection: Three years, $37.5 million ($12.5M per year); $26 million total guaranteed Why pay money like this for a guy that is similar on the team already? Mike Danna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 56 minutes ago, DieHard said: 12 is fair. 14 maybe. 20? Definitely lunacy. for a dude coming off multiple acls, and who wasn't even able to play last year due to the knee not being right. I suspect OBJ will be headed for a 1 year 5 million type of situation to prove he can even make it through 8 games without injury. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Palangi said: Why pay money like this for a guy that is similar on the team already? Mike Danna Sometimes I think you just get bored and try and start arguments for the hell of it. So the Chiefs shouldn't target a versatile, premium young player on the defensive line because they have Mike Danna? Because Danna has show he can be an effective situational pass rusher we just don't try and look to upgrade or add a stud piece to the rotation? They aren't similar players. Allen is 6'4" 280-285. He's built for the every down grind. I'm not surprised you think Danna can be more than he is, because every year there is 5 guys on the practice squad throughout the season that you think are future stars. We should probably just let JuJu walk. I mean we already have Ihmir Smith-Marsette. Palangi and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Palangi said: Why pay money like this for a guy that is similar on the team already? Mike Danna Danna gets most of his pressures when they shift him inside. He has yet to show he can consistently get pressure outside. Allen is young, gets good pressure numbers inside and outside and sets a hard edge like Frank Clark, plus I don't think he'll command that much in FA. Ascending player. oldtimer and jetlord 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, xen said: Danna gets most of his pressures when they shift him inside. He has yet to show he can consistently get pressure outside. Allen is young, gets good pressure numbers inside and outside and sets a hard edge like Frank Clark, plus I don't think he'll command that much in FA. Ascending player. Nope. Danna is the future. Draft a 7th rd rotational piece and call it good. oldtimer, Palangi and jetlord 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Sometimes I think you just get bored and try and start arguments for the hell of it. So the Chiefs shouldn't target a versatile, premium young player on the defensive line because they have Mike Danna? Because Danna has show he can be an effective situational pass rusher we just don't try and look to upgrade or add a stud piece to the rotation? They aren't similar players. Allen is 6'4" 280-285. He's built for the every down grind. I'm not surprised you think Danna can be more than he is, because every year there is 5 guys on the practice squad throughout the season that you think are future stars. We should probably just let JuJu walk. I mean we already have Ihmir Smith-Marsette. Just wondering why we want to throw money at a guy when we have a guy that is similar? i just don’t see giving Allen that money and cutting into next years comp picks for what he is. Especially when Danna is very similar. I’m not trying to start an argument. Sorry you felt that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 hours ago, xen said: Danna gets most of his pressures when they shift him inside. He has yet to show he can consistently get pressure outside. Allen is young, gets good pressure numbers inside and outside and sets a hard edge like Frank Clark, plus I don't think he'll command that much in FA. Ascending player. Most sites show him as a top ten FA this off-season. He’s definitely going to cost some money. And I don’t think he is worth cutting into next years comp picks for what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: Sometimes I think you just get bored and try and start arguments for the hell of it. So the Chiefs shouldn't target a versatile, premium young player on the defensive line because they have Mike Danna? Because Danna has show he can be an effective situational pass rusher we just don't try and look to upgrade or add a stud piece to the rotation? They aren't similar players. Allen is 6'4" 280-285. He's built for the every down grind. I'm not surprised you think Danna can be more than he is, because every year there is 5 guys on the practice squad throughout the season that you think are future stars. We should probably just let JuJu walk. I mean we already have Ihmir Smith-Marsette. Geez I asked a simple question and you went all personal and angry. Damn!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Palangi said: Most sites show him as a top ten FA this off-season. He’s definitely going to cost some money. And I don’t think he is worth cutting into next years comp picks for what he is. What sites? He's not the bendy edge type that usually gets paid big so the teams that want him will be a bit limited compared to some guys. He's strictly a 43 end as well amd doesn't have 34 versatility or the size to hold up as a 3 tech. He certainly could get overpaid as it only takes 2 teams bidding against each other but I'm not sure I see an overpay on him. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/zach-allen-29101/market-value/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just kinda checking the lists online. Nfl, CBS, sporting news... 19 36 56 No top 10's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 41 minutes ago, xen said: Just kinda checking the lists online. Nfl, CBS, sporting news... 19 36 56 No top 10's I would bet he gets a big contract being a young edge guy. He does remind me a lot of Karlaftis too. If like to get a more bendy speed guy opposite Karlaftis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 54 minutes ago, xen said: Just kinda checking the lists online. Nfl, CBS, sporting news... 19 36 56 No top 10's Nfl.com #8 https://www.nfl.com/_amp/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2023-who-are-the-best-players-available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iluvhouse24 1,808 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 28 minutes ago, Palangi said: I would bet he gets a big contract being a young edge guy. He does remind me a lot of Karlaftis too. If like to get a more bendy speed guy opposite Karlaftis Allen would definitely reduce inside in pass rushing situations. Make way for a guy with bend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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