Holmes4six! 968 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 So with Simmons signing for 94m wonder what that means for Chris Jones extension. Yikes. Cost keeps going up oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Holmes4six! said: So with Simmons signing for 94m wonder what that means for Chris Jones extension. Yikes. Cost keeps going up yea that's pricey. Part of me wonders if Veach is asleep at the wheel then gets blindsided by an outrageous signing like this..much like Reek's price going up after the Raiders signing Adams OR is it the Agent paying the wait game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Lamardirts said: Like the James signing. Filling up holes before the draft. The G-Man fans overall seemed to be a bit disappointed that he is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 These kinds of moves make me wonder if it is an indicator that Veach is planning to move up. He can offer up later round choices to move up by simply obtaining players in advance who are equivalent in value to the positions he would relinquish in a trade up. To me, I see this as an ihdicator of a trade UP scenario in the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted April 8, 2023 Author Share Posted April 8, 2023 20 hours ago, Iluvhouse24 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/07/richie-james-agrees-to-deal-with-chiefs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ev 332 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 46 minutes ago, kkuenn said: He looks like a Juju replacement. Similar type of across the middle catching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mr Ev said: He looks like a Juju replacement. Similar type of across the middle catching. How are his hands and drop %? Something that we should know before making any JuJu comparisons. He has quite a few drops on punt returns, and he will be more of a special teams player until he gets a WR opportunity. He might need some jugs machine work. I just don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 If my memory is correct richie James is excellent at getting open but fumbles constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 7 hours ago, oldtimer said: yea that's pricey. Part of me wonders if Veach is asleep at the wheel then gets blindsided by an outrageous signing like this..much like Reek's price going up after the Raiders signing Adams OR is it the Agent paying the wait game? Par Guarfuckingteed it's the agent... they talk to each other and know what the other clients are asking. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 Mahomes will make James an All Pro. Fmbl2187 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 2 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: If my memory is correct richie James is excellent at getting open but fumbles constantly. think that's bit of hyperbole. yes the G-Men fans mentioned that early on but only one person seemed to dwell on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted April 8, 2023 Author Share Posted April 8, 2023 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: think that's bit of hyperbole. yes the G-Men fans mentioned that early on but only one person seemed to dwell on it. Well Toney is the PR for now i thought. This guy can be a back up and take some slot receptions in case anyone is hurt or they want that much more slick type WR in the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ev 332 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said: How are his hands and drop %? Something that we should know before making any JuJu comparisons. He has quite a few drops on punt returns, and he will be more of a special teams player until he gets a WR opportunity. He might need some jugs machine work. I just don't know. One thing I noticed watching highlights was he seems to be able to get open. I feel like there are times Chief receivers have a hard time getting separation. Could this be one of the things Veach sees as a potential to grow w Mahomes and Reid? oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kccrow 529 Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 I fully expected a Jones extension to be around 4/116. If anything, I think the recent signings keep his cost a bit down. Maybe 4/104-ish. He needs to slot in with the premier pass rushers in the league. That would put him 4th at Donald > Watt > Bosa > Jones > Garrett. I think that would be an okay estimate. As for Richie James, solid signing. Nice little slot/flanker option that helps improve our special teams. We were short on capable returners last year. Mr Ev and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Fmbl2187 said: These kinds of moves make me wonder if it is an indicator that Veach is planning to move up. He can offer up later round choices to move up by simply obtaining players in advance who are equivalent in value to the positions he would relinquish in a trade up. To me, I see this as an ihdicator of a trade UP scenario in the 1st. Interesting take. I thought of it more as Veach covering all his bases so he's not forced to focus on one particular area in the draft. While the Chiefs are still light at DE, WR, OT, and DT, Veach has filled at all those positions and could just go for value at places of need rather than having to get a WR in the first for example. BTW: It's good to see Ross working out with Mahomes at TCU. It may not mean that he's going to be healthy by TC, but it's encouraging Okiechief1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 12 hours ago, Holmes4six! said: So with Simmons signing for 94m wonder what that means for Chris Jones extension. Yikes. Cost keeps going up Honestly it's 23.5 average so incrementally better than the last few top DT signings. CJ is gonna be the 2nd highest after Donald, that has been the hangup. The question is where does CJ slot. 25? With Donald at 31.6+, that complicates things more than the DT signings this offseason. If anything, these DT signings for young good pass rushers helps the team as none of them got close to Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowhead 1,070 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, xen said: Honestly it's 23.5 average so incrementally better than the last few top DT signings. CJ is gonna be the 2nd highest after Donald, that has been the hangup. The question is where does CJ slot. 25? With Donald at 31.6+, that complicates things more than the DT signings this offseason. If anything, these DT signings for young good pass rushers helps the team as none of them got close to Donald. Doesn't he have his 5th year option coming up and then the extension? His salary is 10.7 mil next year. I see that as a 21 mil avg. Not sure how all that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 The CJ situation is nuanced. There are a couple different scenarios that could be at play. 1. They could already have the frame work in place and are holding off in the event we need to move some of that money around to make room for a wr or fa. 2. The agent is waiting like any good agent should to see what Simmons, Williams, etc sign for. 3. Veach and Clark have decided to let CJ play out his contract and consider franchise tagging him next year. 4. Veach and the agent are monitoring the market and will make a deal that benefits both when they know what being the 2nd highest paid DT in the L looks like. No need to push a bunch of money back if they can fill their remaining holes with cheap vets and keep it as front loaded as possible. 5. Both sides are miles apart and are not anywhere close to a deal. I know they generally don't pay guys almost 30 this kind of money but CJ has 2-3 elite years left in his tank and this D without him would be bad like really really bad. For that reason I really hope they get this deal done and move up and grab a let DE not some cumbersome oaf. The fact they met with Nolan Smith gives me hope. jetlord and oldtimer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 9 hours ago, CranjisMcbasketball said: If my memory is correct richie James is excellent at getting open but fumbles constantly. Sounds like me opening my fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 2 hours ago, jetlord said: Interesting take. I thought of it more as Veach covering all his bases so he's not forced to focus on one particular area in the draft. While the Chiefs are still light at DE, WR, OT, and DT, Veach has filled at all those positions and could just go for value at places of need rather than having to get a WR in the first for example. BTW: It's good to see Ross working out with Mahomes at TCU. It may not mean that he's going to be healthy by TC, but it's encouraging Your are more likely right. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West 6,713 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 It may be that Ritchie James will put pressure on Skyy Moore for snaps if KC gets OBJ or D Hop. The Chiefs LOVE competition at the skill positions and that will not change. They have plenty of "Maybe's working hard on the practice squad but Andy likes those established wideouts. IMO we see O-Line or Edge in the draft. w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,686 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, West said: It may be that Ritchie James will put pressure on Skyy Moore for snaps if KC gets OBJ or D Hop. The Chiefs LOVE competition at the skill positions and that will not change. They have plenty of "Maybe's working hard on the practice squad but Andy likes those established wideouts. IMO we see O-Line or Edge in the draft. w my gut says that boat has sailed SEMO and KC Warpaint 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,220 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 10 hours ago, arrowhead said: Doesn't he have his 5th year option coming up and then the extension? His salary is 10.7 mil next year. I see that as a 21 mil avg. Not sure how all that works. Details not out yet on the contract but an agent would look at new money average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,209 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 3 hours ago, West said: It may be that Ritchie James will put pressure on Skyy Moore for snaps if KC gets OBJ or D Hop. The Chiefs LOVE competition at the skill positions and that will not change. They have plenty of "Maybe's working hard on the practice squad but Andy likes those established wideouts. IMO we see O-Line or Edge in the draft. w OT or EDGE has probably always been the top priority. Getting James and drafting a long WR such as Tillman or Perry, bringing back Watson, or getting a Ross from the PS would pretty much fill the WR room. OBJ or Hopkins would be frosting on the cake. Once again, Veach covers his needs before they become "have to" issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmbl2187 2,279 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 32 minutes ago, jetlord said: OT or EDGE has probably always been the top priority. Getting James and drafting a long WR such as Tillman or Perry, bringing back Watson, or getting a Ross from the PS would pretty much fill the WR room. OBJ or Hopkins would be frosting on the cake. Once again, Veach covers his needs before they become "have to" issues. Give me Perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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