kccrow 529 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Chiefs will likely make a few more signings in FA, we'll see. I'd guess WR, DT, vet swing OT, and let's wager they bring back RB Jerick McKinnon. So, let's call it DT Armon Watts (CHI), WR Jalen Guyton (LAC), OT Josh Wells (TB), RB Jerick McKinnon. All should be modest/minimum deals. 2023 Mock Draft 1.031 - NT Mazi Smith, Michigan (6'3" 337) 2.063 - WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati (5'10" 177) 3.095 - ER Isaiah McGuire, Missouri (6'4" 268) 4.122 - OT Wanya Morris, Oklahoma (6'5" 307) 4.134 - ER Tavius Robinson, Mississippi (6'5' 257) 5-166 - FS Anthony Johnson Jr., Iowa State (6'0" 205) 6-178 - CB Darrell Luter, South Alabama (6'0" 189) 6-217 - DT Dante Stills, West Virginia (6'4" 286) 7-249 - RB Deneric Prince, Tulsa (6'0" 216) 7-250 - OT Earl Bostick Jr., Kansas (6'6" 309) Chiefs Depth/Roster Chart QB P. Mahomes II, S. Buechele RB I. Pacheco, C. Edwards-Helaire, J. McKinnon, D. Prince WR K. Toney, M. Valdez-Scantling, S. Moore, T. Scott, J. Ross, J. Guyton TE T. Kelce, Gray, J. Fortson, M. Bushman OT J. Taylor, L. Niang, W. Morris, J. Wells, P. Tega-Wanogho, E. Bostick Jr. IL J. Thuney, C. Humphrey, T. Smith, N. Allegretti, D. Kinnard DE G. Karlaftis, C. Omenihu, M. Danna, I. McGuire, T. Robinson, J. Kaindoh DT C. Jones, M. Smith, T. Wharton, A. Watts, D. Shelton, D. Stills LB N. Bolton, W. Gay, D. Tranquill, L. Chenal, J. Cochrane CB L. Sneed, T. McDuffie, J. Watson, J. Williams, D. Luter DB J. Reid, M. Edwards, B. Cook, N. Johnson, A. Johnson Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,218 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Mazi scares me. Where's the pass rush production. Orherwise you spent a 1 on a space eater. Scott as well. His coach talking about 4.2 or 4.3 40. Wonder what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,577 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 19 hours ago, xen said: Scott as well 5' 10" is not what I prefer to see in a WR unless he has Tyreek Hill speed. Did his combine numbers not come in at 4.2/4.3? If we draft a NT in rd 1 mex will not be happy. We need Edge or LT. oldtimer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,683 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, mex said: 5' 10" is not what I prefer to see in a WR unless he has Tyreek Hill speed. Did his combine numbers not come in at 4.2/4.3? If we draft a NT in rd 1 mex will not be happy. We need Edge or LT. link says 4.4 https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tyler-scott/32005343-4f71-9390-286c-9940bb34941f Overview While the comparison to T.Y. Hilton might raise some eyebrows, Scott is a similar player in body type, speed and versatility. With just two seasons of starting experience at receiver, his route running and ball skills are almost certain to continue to improve and become less of an issue for him in the future. He has the speed and shiftiness to uncover on all three levels. Also, he offers jet sweep and receiver screen value. A smallish frame and lack of hand strength are likely to continue to plague him on contested catches, though. Scott is an ascending talent whose versatility and playmaking talent create an easily projectable upside as a good starting slot receiver early in his career. Strengths Junior Olympic sprinter with electric top-end speed. Ten of 14 career touchdowns went for 30-plus yards. Very fluid and athletic in his movements. Able to accelerate to top speed very quickly. Drives and leverages coverage away from stem points. Former high school running back with excellent run-after-catch talent. Offers dynamic versatility due to his skill set. Punt return potential waiting to be cultivated. Keeps pedal floored while turning to track the deep ball. Weaknesses Fundamentals need sharpening as a route runner. Still learning to make footwork look similar in all routes. Drifts at turns, allowing undercutting by corners. Has some trouble fighting through physical coverage. Needs to work back to the throw more consistently. Allows catch space to be overtaken down the field. Limited catch radius and lacking hand size/strength. Sources Tell Us “I like receivers with running back backgrounds because it’s so valuable having run-after-catch guys on the field. Plus, he’s got track speed to go with it!” -- Area scout for AFC team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,577 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, oldtimer said: link says 4.4 That ain't slow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,683 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 35 minutes ago, mex said: That ain't slow... I see 4.4 in the NFL as average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,577 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 59 minutes ago, oldtimer said: I see 4.4 in the NFL as average Actually if it's 4.4 flat, then it's above average. Mecole is 4.33 and Tyreek was 4.31... they're considered blazers Hell Jerry Rice was 4.58 That's why they need length just as bad as speed. And hands tend to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,207 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 The Chiefs have Toney and Moore as one type of receiver and maybe Hardman will be back as a similar type. They could use a taller, fight for the ball, type either from FA or the draft. (or both) Tillman or Perry stand out to me but there are probably others in the day two draft. OBJ or Hopkins would do the same quicker, but at higher cost and shorter term. Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,683 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, mex said: Actually if it's 4.4 flat, then it's above average. Mecole is 4.33 and Tyreek was 4.31... they're considered blazers Hell Jerry Rice was 4.58 That's why they need length just as bad as speed. And hands tend to help. truth and this kid has neither according to the link mex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,218 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4.44 was the official on Scott. First run was 4.51 though Not like its slow but just was disappointed after all the hype. oldtimer and Lamardirts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,577 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, xen said: 4.44 was the official on Scott. First run was 4.51 though Not like its slow but just was disappointed after all the hype. I mean there were some fast MFers this year... several who were sub-3.8... Trey Palmer, Darius Davis, Matt Landers... all later-round guys Wondering if Andy/Veach already have their crosshairs lined up on someone... Hell Nolan Smith ran a 4.39 Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,218 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 mex and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,207 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 There's a lot more to getting open than straight line speed over 40 yards. Speed doesn't help when fighting for 50-50 balls or high pointing the catch. The Chiefs have speed receivers in Toney and MVS. They need a variety of types to ease the pressure on Kelce and make those first downs. JuJu did it in the SB and he's no burner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,683 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, jetlord said: There's a lot more to getting open than straight line speed over 40 yards. Speed doesn't help when fighting for 50-50 balls or high pointing the catch. The Chiefs have speed receivers in Toney and MVS. They need a variety of types to ease the pressure on Kelce and make those first downs. JuJu did it in the SB and he's no burner. MVS is no burner and Toney is more of a Joy Stick ( Dante Hall). Speed Kills and something that can not be coached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,207 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, oldtimer said: MVS is no burner and Toney is more of a Joy Stick ( Dante Hall). Speed Kills and something that can not be coached Toney ran 4.39 at the combine two years ago. Don't know about MVS but he seems to have deep speed. Guess that doesn't make them burners, but they're faster than the average NFL receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, jetlord said: Toney ran 4.39 at the combine two years ago. Don't know about MVS but he seems to have deep speed. Guess that doesn't make them burners, but they're faster than the average NFL receiver. MVS ran a 4.37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,683 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, kkuenn said: MVS ran a 4.37 make sure to point out a play when either Tryeeks somebody.. Tyreek must play at sub 4 second speed regardless of what his "official" 40 time is There is running speed and playing speed. and neither of those are in the same universe mex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: make sure to point out a play when either Tryeeks somebody.. Tyreek must play at sub 4 second speed regardless of what his "official" 40 time is There is running speed and playing speed. and neither of those are in the same universe They aren't in his universe but they are burners in their own right. If to be a burner you have to be fast like Tyreek then there is only one burner that thats Tyreek. He is the unicorn he is the outlier of all outliers. Palangi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,207 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, oldtimer said: make sure to point out a play when either Tryeeks somebody.. Tyreek must play at sub 4 second speed regardless of what his "official" 40 time is There is running speed and playing speed. and neither of those are in the same universeNo Not sure what you expect. MVS was open a number of times when Mahomes just missed him. Could be that MVS just wasn't in sync or maybe Mahomes just didn't put the ball in the right spot. I'm not an MVS fan, but he does bring something the Chiefs need and he played well enough to save the AFCCG when nearly everyone else went down. Palangi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,577 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 hours ago, jetlord said: There's a lot more to getting open than straight line speed over 40 yards. Speed doesn't help when fighting for 50-50 balls or high pointing the catch. The Chiefs have speed receivers in Toney and MVS. They need a variety of types to ease the pressure on Kelce and make those first downs. JuJu did it in the SB and he's no burner. Pretty sure everyone understands this Jet. But every team needs a straight line burner to take the lid off the defense. That's how we beat press coverage and it's how we protect Kelce and lengthen his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,577 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, oldtimer said: make sure to point out a play when either Tryeeks somebody.. Tyreek must play at sub 4 second speed regardless of what his "official" 40 time is There is running speed and playing speed. and neither of those are in the same universe These quick twitch guys bring more than just straight-line speed... they usually got wiggle. Gotta have a little of everything. Still blows me away that some defensive linemen had 40 times as good as Jerry Rice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,218 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Lamardirts said: They aren't in his universe but they are burners in their own right. If to be a burner you have to be fast like Tyreek then there is only one burner that thats Tyreek. He is the unicorn he is the outlier of all outliers. Devon Achane in this draft is a very similar RB to tyreek when he came out. Almost exact same size and speed profiles. Both displayed good hands in college but not the size for RB. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,207 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, mex said: Pretty sure everyone understands this Jet. But every team needs a straight line burner to take the lid off the defense. That's how we beat press coverage and it's how we protect Kelce and lengthen his career. What 40 time does it take to make your list of straight line burners? No one is going to equal Hill for speed and wiggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,577 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, jetlord said: What 40 time does it take to make your list of straight line burners? A Hardman type... low 4.3's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,218 Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 hour ago, mex said: A Hardman type... low 4.3's Yep low 4.3's now days. Too many athletic DBs. Preferably with stop/start, acceleration and COD. oldtimer and mex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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