Calichief 3,016 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: Crazy how high the expectations were for Hardman compared to Moore. Hardman has made some incredible plays, not nearly enough for most but some amazing and important plays. Skyy Moore has been given tons of grace in comparison. I for one am glad Hardman is back his speed is an asset even if its just on gadget plays and I have to believe that stint in NY was humbling. Maybe he comes back humble and hungry. I also would love Frank to be back for the stretch and for his mentorship. Low key acquisitions that could pay off handsomely in the playoffs. Preach on brother Lamardirts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegoatee 1,780 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Andy is drawing up the triple reverse pass play with CEH throwing across field back to Hardman as we speak. arrowhead, Lamardirts and Burpo The Mad Clown 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowhead 1,070 Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, oldtimer said: exactly.. he has 1 thing that no other WR has currently on roster has.. stupid speed also with the current roster as much familiarity with Patrick/Playbook if not more the other WRs. The sad part about it is if one chooses to see it that way, MH could possibly become the #1WR in matter of a few weeks or less. Trying to poo poo this trade away as not an improvement well I could say something but I'll just say Bless their hearts. Andy and Brett no doubt see that the WRs are in need of speed and Patrick's confidence. It appears that they where not seeing what other option there was and little cost since 1/3 of the season has been played and paid for by the JETS. Define #1 WR. Patrick's confidence, they wouldn't have let him go in the first place. A better move would have been to keep MH and let MVS go. He's on the roster, I'll root for him and I hope he tears that shit up. Color me skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHard 2,061 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Makes a lot of sense. Down 2 WRs and got a punt returner that doesn’t contribute on D. Almost no draft capital. Good move IMO. Nothing to do with fixing the WRs to me. Just a good gadget guy and decent returner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, Thegoatee said: Andy is drawing up the triple reverse pass play with CEH throwing across field back to Hardman as we speak. Pacheco. Dude was a QB. oldtimer and West 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 24 minutes ago, Lamardirts said: Low key acquisitions that could pay off handsomely in the playoffs. The Patriots stayed on top of the league for more than a decade doing this. oldtimer and Lamardirts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer 8,683 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, arrowhead said: Define #1 WR. Patrick's confidence, they wouldn't have let him go in the first place. A better move would have been to keep MH and let MVS go. He's on the roster, I'll root for him and I hope he tears that shit up. Color me skeptical. a go to that the QB has confidence in and out performs all the others while demanding the coverage of the other teams' best DB. He's certainly going to command attention with his speed alone and it wont take much to out perform the other WR and I think the Patrick confidence will be earned in short order. disagree. I believe they where drunk on their success of a SB with no Tyreek and also did not think they could afford him as they tried to resign CJ. I dont think they took into consideration the 1A &1B where Hardman & JuJu.. they let both go. color me hopeful but even if he fails there where no better options..Who Dares Wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,218 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Both of these make too much sense not to pull the trigger on. And hey, we're getting Frank back so he can pull the trigger for us. There's no other acquisitions we can make that would be able to jump in midseason and help. Learning the playbooks alone would take too much time. qnet, Lamardirts and West 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnet 1,150 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Only thing weird about this is they could have just kept in from the beginning. I never heard anything about him wanting a lot of money, only that he signed with the Jets. Did the Chiefs even try to keep him? This season is strange so far. I want to bring back playoff Damian now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, qnet said: Only thing weird about this is they could have just kept in from the beginning. I never heard anything about him wanting a lot of money, only that he signed with the Jets. Did the Chiefs even try to keep him? This season is strange so far. I want to bring back playoff Damian now. They did not offer him. The money indint think was the factor. I believe they thought with MVS, Toney and Moore all coming back into their 2nd seasons along with them drafting rice and believing in Ross, they had to feel he was not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mex 65,581 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 51 minutes ago, xen said: And hey, we're getting Frank back so he can pull the trigger for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palangi 788 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 One thing to think about too is his return ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Palangi said: One thing to think about too is his return ability You think they let Washington go? It is nice when your returner can contribute elsewhere on O or D. I like Hardman as an insurance returner but not the main guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,218 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Palangi said: One thing to think about too is his return ability Frank's probably a little overrated as a return guy. oldtimer and SEMO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 3 hours ago, kkuenn said: They did not offer him. The money indint think was the factor. I believe they thought with MVS, Toney and Moore all coming back into their 2nd seasons along with them drafting rice and believing in Ross, they had to feel he was not needed. Was talking to my cousin today about this. Seemed like he kind of had an attitude last year. WR market has been weird the past two years. First year was out of control and then last year the owners course corrected hard and lowballed almost everyone. Maybe the Chiefs had a conversation with his reps and the numbers weren't close so they never formally offered him anything. It was definitely a humbling experience for him to be a healthy scratch on a bad team. Hope he comes back humble and ready to work. West 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamardirts 2,114 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, xen said: Frank's probably a little overrated as a return guy. I mean he has slimmed down a bunch.....🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranjisMcbasketball 780 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 I was totally against signing hardman to any sort of non vet minimum deal last offseason. but bringing him in now for basically no money is a good move, he is better than skyy moore at a worse case scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetlord 10,207 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Lamardirts said: You think they let Washington go? It is nice when your returner can contribute elsewhere on O or D. I like Hardman as an insurance returner but not the main guy. Hardman had some pretty ugly returns but maybe he's learned since his early years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes4six! 968 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 4 hours ago, qnet said: Only thing weird about this is they could have just kept in from the beginning. I never heard anything about him wanting a lot of money, only that he signed with the Jets. Did the Chiefs even try to keep him? This season is strange so far. I want to bring back playoff Damian now. Playoff Damien would be awesome! He had some juice! Trade CEH straight across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calichief 3,016 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 4 hours ago, qnet said: Only thing weird about this is they could have just kept in from the beginning. I never heard anything about him wanting a lot of money, only that he signed with the Jets. Did the Chiefs even try to keep him? This season is strange so far. I want to bring back playoff Damian now. Yea.. but would have been tough with the cap at the time. qnet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,218 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 7 hours ago, Holmes4six! said: Playoff Damien would be awesome! He had some juice! Trade CEH straight across. Don't have to trade for him, can be had for free as long as you sign him to the active roster. 31 now. Hasn't done much since he opted out the covid year cause his mom had cancer. 4 teams in 3 years, not much in the way of stats to speak of. Sitting on the Cards PS right now so can be picked up. Who knows what he has left. lol I'd still take him over CEH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen 1,010,218 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 7 hours ago, Calichief said: Yea.. but would have been tough with the cap at the time. Correct since CJ's situation basically precluded us from spending much. Basically we traded a 6th and we'll pay prorated vet min salary for Mecole, a 7th and for Jets to pay him about 3m including 2.5 signing bonus. This late in the season, I doubt he hits any of the incentives in his contract and if he does it will be great for our offense. qnet and oldtimer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sith13 1,746 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 I guess the most important question is how much are we on the hook for regarding his 4 million deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkuenn 3,597 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 54 minutes ago, sith13 said: I guess the most important question is how much are we on the hook for regarding his 4 million deal? The Chiefs will pick up the prorated portion of Hardman's $1.08 million base salary, which amounts to $720,000. Kansas City entered the day with $3,396,154 in available cap space, according to the NFLPA public salary cap report. sith13 and oldtimer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gochiefsgo 380 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Pros and Cons of Hardman’s return to the Chiefs. https://www.newsweek.com/mecole-hardman-trade-pros-cons-chiefs-choice-1836106 I’m on record saying I like this signing but I’m not thinking he’s the savior of the season. At his cheap price, his familiarity with the offense and his return ability this is not a great leap to think he will contribute to another championship run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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